To think Scotland will now get their independence in next few years after election result?

[wishiwasabraverman]

Just that really...SNP did absolutely brilliantly. Shows that the majority of the Scottish people are behind them. Am I right in thinking they will get their independence in a couple of years?

@Graffitiqueen

No.... the SNP and the greens are both in favour of holding indyref 2.

The SNP have 64 seats.
The greens have 8 seats.

That is 72 seats compared to 57 which represents a sizable majority in favour of indyref2.

MN predicted SNP would get trounced in this election.

[quote UrAWizHarry]@Graffitiqueen

No.... the SNP and the greens are both in favour of holding indyref 2.

The SNP have 64 seats.
The greens have 8 seats.

That is 72 seats compared to 57 which represents a sizable majority in favour of indyref2.[/quote]
I wouldn't count on a vote for green being a sure bet of wanting independence. A fair amount of people said they were voting green because they just couldn't vote for the others. I kind of see their point, I didn't really want to vote at all. It's declaring my support for a party I don't support, in all cases.

Oh, absolutely, but the fact is part of the green's manifesto was a commitment to another referendum on independence so together with the SNP there is a majority of MSPs to push forward with that on the agenda.

I note that the Scottish border counties all voted Conservative last Thursday, so in the event of a Yes vote in an Indyref2, would these counties be allowed to remain in the UK ?

Sturgeon made a lot of noise about Scotland being dragged out of the EU 'against its will', so what about the border counties, would they be dragged out of the UK, 'against their will' ?

@cuju2407

I am strongly opposed to independence and I really fear for our future. I really hope people open their eyes to the financial impact it will have on us

This.

Independence would be a disaster and the constant focus on a second referendum is hugely divisive and isn’t good for Scotland.

The majority of Scots do not want independence, no matter what the SNP and the media keep saying.

Not a chance of it happening, if you look at long term perspective. Scotland and Wales are thoroughly part of the anglo-saxon (or English if you prefer) sphere, both socially and economically. It's been a lost and costly journey to achieve that dominance and control (in Wales it was quick, it took much longer in Scotland).

North Sea Oil was a critical resource for these islands in the past. In the future, it looks sea/wind power will be.

Dream on SNP :)

"Please as an English man it will be fantastic. Scotland cannot afford to be independent...free university places, free prescription....with having to take their share of the covid debt, the reduction of fossil fuel use...can't wait...what a laugh. They forget that they begged for union because they were bankrupt."

Are ye ragin mate?

There is as much of a cultural difference between people in Surrey and Newcastle, as Surrey and Glasgow. It's nonsense.

@2klightyears ... yes that wind power might be useful further down the line, so let's keep it just in case.

ice

Are ye ragin mate?

Aye. Hunched over. Furiously ‘raging’ away. With his dominant hand.

The last independence referendum tore Scotland apart even worse than Brexit. Communities and families were split, there was widespread bullying. Support for/against is 50/50 so we would go forward based on a tiny majority either way dragging half a population of VERY angry and unhappy people with us who have all been wound up by the referendum campaigning. For me we shouldn’t be disrupting Scotland that badly until you are getting regular polls in the 60-70% range. We are always being told what the Scottish people want but the polls are showing an even split.

I really hope Scotland get independence, just so I don't have to ever listen to NS whining about it again.

It's useful to contrast the Scottish and Catalan situations. Catalonia is the most economically vibrant and progressive part of Spain. It has it's own language, and a distinct culture. Even with all that, it's hard to see it becoming independent.

Scotland on the other hand is a long term economic basket case, an English speaking country (ok there's a fast disappearing tiny minority in the islands). It's a lot less likely to want independence as a result. This SNP stuff is a blip.

...basically it is hard to turn around a situation of long term economic, cultural and political domination by a power neighbour.

@Sillydoggy

The last independence referendum tore Scotland apart even worse than Brexit. Communities and families were split, there was widespread bullying. Support for/against is 50/50 so we would go forward based on a tiny majority either way dragging half a population of VERY angry and unhappy people with us who have all been wound up by the referendum campaigning. For me we shouldn’t be disrupting Scotland that badly until you are getting regular polls in the 60-70% range. We are always being told what the Scottish people want but the polls are showing an even split.

Family in Scotland said the same. They would move to England if there was an independent Scotland which is a shame as they're wealthy, liberal people who contribute a lot to society and the tax coffers. Maybe there would be people moving the opposite way. It is a big gamble.

Whammyyammy

I really hope Scotland get independence, just so I don't have to ever listen to NS whining about it again.

I don’t want independence. And don’t want wee Nippy whining either.

Could we not just put her on a stick and waggle her about in Loch Ness?

Or would even Nessie find her unpalatable?

I'm neither pro nor against, but a thought did occur to me...

If it was just England on its own, would England still be able to go off and do crazy things like the Iraq war, since it would have split armed forces with the need to agree and cooperate more with others? Could be some unexpected benefits here.

@Whammyyammy

I really hope Scotland get independence, just so I don't have to ever listen to NS whining about it again.

You could just turn the TV off and let the grownups deal with it.

Trust me. A lot of grown ups are sick of the whinging as well

@pobparker

I notice there is a new mantra from the Nationalists "Independence is normal - quote other small successful countries" Yes Scotland could be a successful country in the long term , depending on its economic policies , however it would take a great deal of financial hardship to get there There are numerous serious issues to be addressed and discussed fully- I think when this happens most people will vote No once more Issues What Currency ? How much to set up a central bank , with lender of last resort ? How long to take to get membership of the EU- it is not an automatic right? Debt / deficit and the affect on services The loss of Barnet formula The potential hard border with rUK , which would put up a barrier to trade , with by far our largest trading partner . Most people do not want customs tariffs on goods and handling charges. There are numerous people in the border who work /live on either side of the border- are they going to have to show their passports each day simply to go to work What will happen to mortgages , which are in sterling Likewise pensions? A lot of businesses with leave and go to rUK - if that is their biggest share of the market I can see a valid emotional argument , but the short term economics make no sense I will stay to vote No again , I am Scottish and wish to stay in Scotland in a United kingdom , if Yes wins we will be leaving Scotland shortly afterwards- I am not prepared to lose my livelihood

THIS!

I see so many posts from snp supporters saying that Scotland can be independent just as other small countries are. What they are not taking into account is the journey and time to get there. We will no doubt suffer and for many years I imagine. I have a young child with disabilities that will need support all his life and I am not prepared to live in hardship for other peoples version of freedom.

There's a huge difference between winning the election and "the majority of Scotland wants independence". What's the population of Scotland? 5.4 million. How many people voted snp? Just over 1 million. That is not a majority of Scottish people. The greens added only another 200k votes so even adding those doesn't come close to a "majority". I do however think that a referendum should be held, but only once polls show that independence is supported by at least 2/3 of the population. Surely brexit shows how devisive changing the whole constitution is when only half of the voters (not even half of the population! ) decides to break away against the other half's will. Considering how often sturgeon bleats on about brexit being 'against Scotlands will", she's quite willing to drag them out of a union that consistently says "no" in the polls and has already In recent memory said "no" when given the power to choose. If that's not against Scotland will I don't know what is. We got fed up with the uncertainty and moved away. We now get a smaller tax bill, better weather and have lost the worry that constant independence talk will impact our house price and finances. I still worry for my friends though so talk of a majority support of independence needs to be exposed for the bs it is. The majority, as voted for already, don't support independence.

The loss of Barnet formula

i.e. getting all of our raised taxes back instead of just a proportion - and you say this is a BAD thing?

I live in Scotland, and might vote SNP if they would drop this bonkers independence idea. I have yet to hear Nicola Sturgeon saying what currency an independent Scotland would use, how the hard border would work etc.

@TheSandman

The loss of Barnet formula

i.e. getting all of our raised taxes back instead of just a proportion - and you say this is a BAD thing?

Have you read the growth commission? Have you heard Nicola talking about Scotland's deficit? It's a fact that we spend more than we earn in tax revenue, the SNP's blueprint for Indy Scotland admits this. Stop spreading misinformation.

I've voted SNP in the past (didn't this time) even though i dont think independence is a good idea because I wanted to vote for a party focused on Scotlands needs. I actually agree with the much maligned Gordon Brown that we need a few more devolved powers but remain in a union with rUK. Brexit has been a nightmare for our family business and Scexit would be a disaster as most of our clients are in rUK. It might be OK after many years but some of us are a bit old to take a financial hit in the last few years of our careers (or move for that matter).