To think Scotland will now get their independence in next few years after election result?

[wishiwasabraverman]

Just that really...SNP did absolutely brilliantly. Shows that the majority of the Scottish people are behind them. Am I right in thinking they will get their independence in a couple of years?

If there is to be another referendum it should be clear what the implications are and how Scotland will fund it, including its own currency, defence etc. The last referendum didn’t make that clear. The Scottish people deserve to know what they are actually voting for and if it’s better for them to be independent then they shouldn’t be stopped. I’m fed up of hearing about it now to be honest, it distracts from the serious issues and some people are voting for parties for their independence stance, not their policies on running the country.

SheldonesqueTheBstard

I kind of wish the vote would be on all sides, Scotland: do you want to leave the union? England, Northern Island, Wales: should Scotland be allowed to stay?

I highly doubt that Westminster will allow another referendum. Of course the Scots could hold a non-binding one without UKGov's permission, but they can just ignore it.

Basically labour are shambolic and virtually no one in Scotland lines the Tory party. I voted SNP despite having no appetite for a referendum just now. I figured if it happened and I still felt that way I’d vote no. Don’t think everyone that voted SNP were necessarily Indie supportes

One of the most compelling No arguments during the last indyref was that Scotland would stay part of the EU. Since brexit the political landscape has changed significantly and Scotland should have another chance to become independent.

If they do leave, and then decide to become part of the EU again then we're possibly looking at a hard border.

Interesting times ahead

𝙷̶𝚘̶𝚠̶ ̶𝚊̶𝚋̶𝚘̶𝚞̶𝚝̶ ̶𝚒̶𝚏̶ ̶𝙴̶𝚗̶𝚐̶𝚕̶𝚊̶𝚗̶𝚍̶ ̶𝚋̶𝚎̶𝚌̶𝚘̶𝚖̶𝚎̶ ̶𝚒̶𝚗̶𝚍̶𝚎̶𝚙̶𝚎̶𝚗̶𝚍̶𝚎̶𝚗̶𝚝̶ ̶𝚋̶𝚞̶𝚝̶ ̶𝚘̶𝚙̶𝚎̶𝚗̶ ̶𝚏̶𝚘̶𝚛̶ ̶𝚏̶𝚛̶𝚒̶𝚎̶𝚗̶𝚍̶𝚜̶ ̶𝚊̶𝚗̶𝚍̶ ̶𝚗̶𝚎̶𝚒̶𝚐̶𝚑̶𝚋̶𝚘̶𝚞̶𝚛̶𝚜̶ ̶𝚝̶𝚘̶ ̶𝚓̶𝚘̶𝚒̶𝚗̶ ̶𝚊̶𝚜̶ ̶𝚛̶𝚎̶𝚜̶𝚙̶𝚎̶𝚌̶𝚝̶𝚎̶𝚍̶ ̶𝚎̶𝚚̶𝚞̶𝚊̶𝚕̶𝚜̶ ̶𝚒̶𝚏̶ ̶𝚝̶𝚑̶𝚎̶𝚢̶ ̶𝚠̶𝚒̶𝚜̶𝚑̶?̶ ̶𝙽̶𝚘̶ ̶𝚗̶𝚎̶𝚎̶𝚍̶ ̶𝚏̶𝚘̶𝚛̶ ̶𝚎̶𝚗̶𝚍̶𝚕̶𝚎̶𝚜̶𝚜̶ ̶𝚝̶𝚑̶𝚛̶𝚎̶𝚊̶𝚝̶𝚜̶ ̶𝚘̶𝚏̶ ̶𝚙̶𝚎̶𝚛̶𝚙̶𝚎̶𝚝̶𝚞̶𝚊̶𝚕̶ ̶𝚘̶𝚗̶𝚌̶𝚎̶ ̶𝚒̶𝚗̶ ̶𝚊̶ ̶𝚕̶𝚒̶𝚏̶𝚎̶𝚝̶𝚒̶𝚖̶𝚎̶/̶𝚐̶𝚎̶𝚗̶𝚎̶𝚛̶𝚊̶𝚝̶𝚒̶𝚘̶𝚗̶/̶𝚌̶𝚑̶𝚊̶𝚗̶𝚐̶𝚎̶ ̶𝚘̶𝚏̶ ̶𝚠̶𝚒̶𝚗̶𝚍̶ ̶𝚍̶𝚒̶𝚛̶𝚎̶𝚌̶𝚝̶𝚒̶𝚘̶𝚗̶ ̶𝚞̶𝚗̶𝚒̶𝚕̶𝚊̶𝚝̶𝚎̶𝚛̶𝚊̶𝚕̶ ̶𝚍̶𝚒̶𝚟̶𝚘̶𝚛̶𝚌̶𝚎̶ ̶𝚙̶𝚛̶𝚘̶𝚌̶𝚎̶𝚎̶𝚍̶𝚒̶𝚗̶𝚐̶

Sure! Free country free choice! Can’t keep changing minds as recent referendum need to be meaningful and for a minimum duration. Don’t see what the fuss is about if most Scots recently wanted to remain within the United Kingdom given the free and open vote. Ideally stronger together as otherwise possibly Northern Ireland (and Eire) may be inclined to seek alternative options. Scotland’s legal, political and economic independence will potentially have a net negative impact on all United Kingdom’s home nations including Scotland themselves if the fossil fuels run dry and pandemic stagnation hits. The rest of the United Kingdom would hopefully remain on the various already punching above our weight category organisations such as legacy United Nations Security Council permanent member top table and NATO defence membership etc. Perhaps most if not all of the current weapons of mass destruction and associated military and armed personnel will need to be rehoused within the remaining United Kingdom etc too. Scottish pound will remain but international exchange rate valuations and confidence may vary further unless Scotland pursue some sort of technologically advance super taxation friendly economy along the lines of Chanel Islands on steroids etc. I love Scotland and all things Scottish with some amazing world class products so wish then well but it’s better to have good relationships than potentially unhappy arrangements. Perhaps there be be a Scots language, Gaelic and Celtic revival? Interesting to hear further thoughts either way as not as simplistic as Scotxit….

@AMillionMilesAway

I highly doubt that Westminster will allow another referendum. Of course the Scots could hold a non-binding one without UKGov's permission, but they can just ignore it.

and if the EU had ignored the Brexit referendum and decided that The UK couldn't leave the EU if it wanted to - what would have happened then?

Westminster has no right to refuse a referendum. The Tories just fought a campaign that was 100% "Stop Indyref2!" and lost.

There will be an Indyref2 - and before anyone whines on about 'once in a lifetime' I'm still waiting to see Boris Johnson 'dead in a ditch'.

The question is the UK a union or is Scotland an occupied country?

@wishiwasabraverman

Just that really...SNP did absolutely brilliantly. Shows that the majority of the Scottish people are behind them. Am I right in thinking they will get their independence in a couple of years?

The majority of the Scottish people are not behind them. Scotland is divided pretty much 50/50 still.

I kind of wish the vote would be on all sides, Scotland: do you want to leave the union? England, Northern Island, Wales: should Scotland be allowed to stay?

I don't suppose there is any reason why England shouldn't leave the UK. And Wales, NI, and Scotland carry on without them.

There's absolutely loads of Scottish people that don't want independence and think Sturgeon is an idiot.

I voted no last time and I am not as opposed to Indy as I was. Last time I was a clear no this time it would be more reluctant.

Imagine how an independent Scottish government would have handled this pandemic. Not well would be my view. The financial support and the vaccine provision has all been down to Westminster

The SNP may have got those seats but more people voted for pro union parties in total.
I really hope that Scotland doesn't leave the union. I don't want DH to lose his job and end up on the dole in a country that won't be able to actually afford to pay those benefits.
British and international companies would be far better off financially, being located in the UK. They'd just up and move as there would be no real incentives to remain in a relatively sparsely populated country of 5.5 million instead of 56 million in just England alone.

@Tossblanket

There's absolutely loads of Scottish people that don't want independence and think Sturgeon is an idiot.

This.

ExH lives in Scotland, I live in England. He sees DC EOW - it was confusing enough navigating different rules in lockdown (he picks them up in England on the Friday, I drive to Scotland on the Sunday to the them) I'm quite worried what independence would mean for the DC in our situation. Hopefully nothing but it depends what the border regulations look like I guess.

@Tossblanket the majority don't think that though

I can't vote as I'm in England, but it is a real possibility. Hopefully it isn't rushed though, to give enough time to prepare and campaign effectively for a Yes vote to actually win this time.

I don’t see why there should be another referendum after only 7 years.

I think if Scotland wanted independence there was an opportunity to vote for it and you can’t just keep pushing for another vote because you don’t like the result, tough luck that’s surely how democracy works you can’t keep redoing it, what about the people who voted against it? Don’t their opinions count?

If the Scottish people had voted yes last time then good for them but they didn’t, what was the point of that referendum if they won’t accept the result?

@Tossblanket

There's absolutely loads of Scottish people that don't want independence and think Sturgeon is an idiot.

I agree, that’s clearly why it didn’t go through last time, I think it’s really dismissive of those peoples opinions for her to ignore them and keep wanting another vote when she’s had one really not that long ago.

[quote hattiecattie]@cuju2407 better pack yer bags then there's a risk in everything and I understand it's scary but it's well overdue. The day we get our independence will be one of the best days of my life [/quote]
It's not a risk it's stupidity! Looking at some of your responses just goes to show this 🙄

And I'm totally confused as to why - if we're such a drag on the UK economy and a black hole into which money is just being endlessly shovelled - are they so keen to keep us?

Makes you wonder doesn't it? I mean how does any other country manage it without the great UK in charge? How do they manage to have a currency or anything. 🤔

There was a " Velvet divorce" in 1993, when Czechoslavakia split. It just happened and hardly anyone noticed for years

Did the recent fair and open Scottish referendum not count. Surely any potential further series of endless periodic referendums make the whole concept nonsensical? How many no thanks are required? Need to ask/bully endlessly until a politically fatigued majority finally submits? There was only one public Brexit vote after decades previously within the EU. Some of us particularly in London did not necessarily want to leave the EU but we all respected fair democracy with its pros and cons. It’s the choice of majority at the time of the definitive vote. Brexit is seemingly advantageous in this medical pandemic but who knows longer term? Hopefully new global aspirations and opportunities may arise for Brextania. What would Scotland table for one do and achieve over and above united long standing arrangements?

@delilahbucket

I think there will be a referendum but I don't think she'll get the result she thinks she will. After that, hopefully she'll move on, because let's face it, she isn't interested in anything else about what her job entails.

Why can’t she move on from the result if the last one though? I honest can’t work out why she thinks that result should be ignored in favour of a new one?

Obviously she wants a different outcome but you can’t keep having a new referendum every 7 years in case you can get a different result.

I think Scotland should be allowed to leave if that’s what the people want. Do the Scots imagine we are desperate for them to stay? If they think they will be better off, good luck to them 😂

Are there just going to be referendums until they get the result they want?

There was a " Velvet divorce" in 1993, when Czechoslavakia split. It just happened and hardly anyone noticed for years

I bloody did, on the day they split, I had just finished a massive project on Europe, including all the countries, capitals and pretty pictures of the flags. Its one of my earliest memories storming down the stairs and demanding they stay together for another week.

Anyway as you all were