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AIBU to think Eminem is the greatest rapper of all time?

376 replies

canary1 · 08/05/2021 23:22

Just going through those early great albums, The Slim Shady, The Marshall Mathers LP, the Eminem show...and thinking what a genius. I’ve also had some glasses of wine so am rambling. But those brilliant lyrics. Sigh....anyone agree?

OP posts:
Housewife2010 · 09/05/2021 07:55

No. It was Rex Harrison in "My Fair Lady". 😉

toomanyhobbies · 09/05/2021 07:57

John Barnes and the England rap best ever !!!

LunaNorth · 09/05/2021 08:04

Don’t forget Mel B.

Disfordarkchocolate · 09/05/2021 08:05

Showing Jay Z how it's done. Bizarre crowd though, they did not deserve this.

Lemonelderflower · 09/05/2021 08:06

I like Eminem. Not normally to my taste (not into rap so I can’t say if he’s the greatest as I don’t really listen to anyone else!)

I was going to see him live in 2018, I think. We couldn’t go in the end.

Zampa · 09/05/2021 08:09

Ignore my earlier comments ... I'd forgotten about PJ and Duncan ...

SimonJT · 09/05/2021 08:13

“Faggot bitch”

“Hate fags? The answers yes”

“Slap dips, support domestic violence
Beat your bitch's ass while your kids stare in silence”

Refers to disabled people as retards.

Then we have Kim, a song about him fantasizing about murdering his ex wife.

Not particularly genius.

Tiktokersmiracle · 09/05/2021 08:14

Dude, I suggest you listen to a wider selection of eras
NWA?
De La Soul?
Tribe Called Quest?
Dr Dre?
Sugar hill Gang?
Public Enemy?
Furious Five and Grandmaster Flash?

Christ

Eminem is alright but I think it's more novelty value

You'll be saying Drake is the best next Grin

Washimal · 09/05/2021 08:17

Someone being told to "ignore colour" on a thread about rap music is the most Mumsnetty thing I've ever seen on Mumsnet Grin

Eminem had his moment. He made one great record, but a lot of his stuff hasn't stood the test of time.

I don't think it's possible to say who is the GOAT as rap is such a broad church and constantly evolving but Dre, Snoop, Biggie, Tupac, Nas, Mos Def, Kendrick Lamar, Kanye (the early stuff anyway), WuTang, A Tribe Called Quest, Lil Kim, Missy Elliot, André 3000, Lauryn Hill, Lil Wayne, Run, Ice Cube, Lupe Fiasco, Jay-Z, Young Thug, Run the Jewell's, Brockhampton, Denzel Curry and some of the experimental/art rappers like Quelle Chris, Earl Sweatshirt, Homeboy Sandman and Elucid all wipe the floor with Eminem IMO.

Washimal · 09/05/2021 08:19

No. It was Rex Harrison in "My Fair Lady"

Don't forget Yule Brenner in The King and I Grin

OneFootintheRave · 09/05/2021 08:21

No way. With his whiny nasal tone. Sure he had some highlights but the GOAT is Chuck D, hands down.

OneFootintheRave · 09/05/2021 08:24

@Cocolapew

God have none of you heard of Vanilla Ice!?
GrinGrinGrin
Shopliftersoftheworldunite · 09/05/2021 08:25

@aintnothinbutagstring the kids could be 25 years old you muppet. Calm down.

BilboBercow · 09/05/2021 08:31

It's controversial op but I agree, he really pioneers a new style of rap which spoke to an entirely new type of fan, people who like him were considered poor "white trash" in the states. He did all of that on the back of a really poor childhood (his mother has munchausen syndrome by proxy and was very abusive)

For those who think op doesn't know about any other rappers, consider Eminem is the highest selling rap artist of all time by around 100 million

Homehelpneeded · 09/05/2021 08:31

I LOVED eminem back in the day (teenage years) and he opened a door to rap music to me that would have remained firmly closed otherwise.
I agree with others listing rappers as GOAT.

Now as an adult (if thats what its called) I think eminems music has dated very badly and many of the lyrics were just shock factor lyrics, and controversial at the time, rather than clever.
Eminem PR was all about upsetting groups of society and having them raise his profile, whilst claiming freedom of speech.

Quite honestly, many of his songs I would be reluctant for my DC to hear now, and im surprised my parents were so cool with it as I was an impressionable teenager.

I can listen to biggie and Tupac as an adult, and really respect the music, the story, the authenticity for it and feel more comfortable with it.

I think eminem still has his place, and he's still great, but I think he was of his time - and was amazing at opening doors of the hip hop world to a wider audience...

I must add, if I have heard any recent music, I really haven't thought much of it.

KenAdams · 09/05/2021 08:35

@thethoughtfox was that the Anger Management Tour? DH always goes on about it to this day.

newnortherner111 · 09/05/2021 08:38

Listen to his lyrics, think of some of the stunts he pulled as part of his act. Not someone to celebrate.

Shinesun14 · 09/05/2021 08:39

Eminem's first 3 albums kept me alive through my teenage years. I'm not even exaggerating, he really did keep me going through all the shit I went through. He is not the GOAT though. Yes his lyrics are awfully misogynistic, but when you hate yourself and the world around you he resonates with you.

2pac is my favourite rapper but he isn't the GOAT either, his flow isn't the best, his heart is.

Biggie may have been the GOAT if he hadn't of died so young.

Nas is amazing, he double rhymed before Eminem. Jay z is actually really clever if you break his lyrics down but I would chose nas over jay z like I would chose 2pac over biggie because I resonate with their hearts more if that makes sense, rather then them being better rappers.

Andre 3000 is probably the GOAT in that he has managed what no other black rapper could. He can wear a skirt and still be consistently given props by all the other rappers. I bloody love early Kanye too.

I love lauryn Hill, the miseducation of Lauryn Hill is probably my favourite album ever. She's the queen.

clpsmum · 09/05/2021 08:42

@HeartShapedBox absolutely agree with you and love your user name

clpsmum · 09/05/2021 08:43

He's ok. It honestly don't even tho I he is in the same league as Tupac. Biggie, ice cube

BorderlineHappy · 09/05/2021 08:45

@DioneTheDiabolist Christy Moore

No Luka Blooom.

NigelWithTheBrie79 · 09/05/2021 08:48

This thread has made me look up and share this video of the comedian Aries Spears. RIP DMX.

Mytiredeyeshaveseenenough · 09/05/2021 08:53

Definitely the most successful white rapper? Best? He's definitely getting past the first round but for me he's not even the best white rapper, Aesop Rock wins that one for me. Although I'll also give props to RA The Rugged Man, El-P and Macklemore (OK he's done some garbage but B Boy is a banger).

Del, Chuck D, Kool G Rap, Guru, KRS One, Ice T (still the most insane pit I've ever seen), Lord Finesse, Kool Keith and so on and so on. And so on.

Very hard to judge as hip hop is really inconsistent and quality doesn't half drop off when the money has poured in.

Shinesun14 · 09/05/2021 08:56

@Mytiredeyeshaveseenenough I love rugged man!

Ginuwine · 09/05/2021 09:02

Some great classic suggestions on here, but I argue Eminem is not the greatest of all time. He is the most accessible of the greats.

He is probably the most skilled rapper ever to record music. His verbal dexterity, humour and lack of dense slang made him extremely accessible in a way that Raekwon or Ghostface Killah (both Wu-Tang) could never match. Rae and Ghost are my personal faves, but their brilliantly inventive and unusual slang can be impenetrable to outsiders so to speak.

But is he the greatest? I'd argue not, because for greatest we need criteria.

It's why I also discount Tupac who has been mentioned at least a dozen times in this thread. Pac was initially a social visionary and campaigner, then an icon after death, but he also released a lot of middling to poor music, filled with hate and recrimination but little in the way of quality . I loved Johnny J as a producer (RIP) but his music is sonically tinny at times - it wasn't all Dre beats.

For me that criteria again:

• Truly skilful with their rhyming ability
A great discography spanning a decade or more
• Valued and admired by both rappers and public
• Game changing in their interpretation of the art form
• taking the art worldwide in some way
• a great ear for a beat

For me there's only one name in contention.

Jay-Z.

From 1996 to 2021 and still able to cause a worldwide buzz when he appears on a record despite his age in a genre that doesn't reward longevity

He's become the Rolling Stones of an art form that was predicted to die out in ten years. He's brilliant on the mic, he always knows which producers to work with, his feature appearances are legendary, he has at least five classic albums, and he's still hungry to push the sounds of the art form forward

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