I like Boris

[choppysea]

Ok, so I am an expert re politics but I don't know why everyone is hating Boris. No one has had to deal with the issues he has re Brexit / Global pandemic and he has pretty much pulled both out of the bag. Look at us compared to Europe. How many lives have been lost due to their childish sniping. He has also had Covid. i am just baffled why everyone is hating on him, please explain???? So am I being unreasonable liking boris as an actual human being that makes mistakes but get shit done?

Haven’t even read the OP but YABU.

@choppysea

Ok, so I am an expert re politics but I don't know why everyone is hating Boris. No one has had to deal with the issues he has re Brexit / Global pandemic and he has pretty much pulled both out of the bag. Look at us compared to Europe. How many lives have been lost due to their childish sniping. He has also had Covid. i am just baffled why everyone is hating on him, please explain???? So am I being unreasonable liking boris as an actual human being that makes mistakes but get shit done?

Well there was a gobal pandemic back in 1918 on the back of a war and sever shortages so other PMs have had to deal with a pandemic. Just because he had to deal with difficult stuff and all PMs do doesnt mean he did a good job of it. The man couldn’t be bothered to turn up to the first 4 cobra meetings. There is a reason we have one of the highest rate of covid per capita in the world and that reason is Mr Alexander Johnson.

He cheated on his wife whilst she had cancer and refuses to acknowledge several of his children. Despicable man, and that's not even the political stuff. Imagine the responses in AIBU if he came one and said "AIBU to have an affair whilst my wife is having chemo and refuse to pay child maintenance out of my £250k salary?"

Tories just did very well in local elections, when party-in-power normally does badly. I dare say, OP is in a solid majority who like BJ.

A lot of criticism about his private life on here. What has that got to do with how he runs the country?

Absolutely fuck all. I'd rather see a person warts and all, and focus on whether they are going their job effectively than see some fake, sanitised version of them which is nothing more than a cynical construct for the purposes of fooling the electorate into thinking they are some sort of saint.

He is a con artist, a cheat and an all round scumbag.
HTH.

@Rosebel

A lot of criticism about his private life on here. What has that got to do with how he runs the country?

I dunno, I quite prefer to have a prime minister to have a reasonable grasp on morality and not be a a massively corrupt racist, sexist wanker just in case that bleeds through to his job by way of funnelling billions of pounds to his mates in the public sector or by ensuring british nationals remain imprisoned overseas.

But that's just me.

@babbaloushka

He cheated on his wife whilst she had cancer and refuses to acknowledge several of his children. Despicable man, and that's not even the political stuff. Imagine the responses in AIBU if he came one and said "AIBU to have an affair whilst my wife is having chemo and refuse to pay child maintenance out of my £250k salary?"

Didn't they split before her cancer diagnosis? www.theguardian.com/society/2019/aug/11/marina-wheeler-tells-of-cervical-cancer-diagnosis-boris-johnson

Separated 2018, diagnosis 2019.

@poptartsarefood

I like him too. He's positive and wants to get stuff done. Life is too short for constant misery and whinging

But a vote for Johnson is a vote for more misery, for anyone who's on an average or lower income, has to rent in the private sector, needing surgery or social care, in insecure employment, has a child with additional needs or uses a gazillion other services that have been starved of investment.

'The man couldn’t be bothered to turn up to the first 4 cobra meetings. There is a reason we have one of the highest rate of covid per capita in the world'

We don't though www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Also, it is quite normal for relevant ministers to chair cobra meetings. Sturgeon didn't attend the first few either www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/explainers/cobr-cobra

[quote JaniieJones]'The man couldn’t be bothered to turn up to the first 4 cobra meetings. There is a reason we have one of the highest rate of covid per capita in the world'

We don't though www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Also, it is quite normal for relevant ministers to chair cobra meetings. Sturgeon didn't attend the first few either www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/explainers/cobr-cobra[/quote]
On worldometer of all countries sorted by deaths per million capita the UK is 15th, I'd say that's one of the highest.

Personal life aside, he has made racist remarks while performing his job, was so bad as foreign sec that poor woman is STILL locked up in Iran. As PM he failed to act on advice quickly and as a result our deaths per 1m population are in the top 10 worst globally. The handling of Christmas was awful, he should have cancelled it when cases didnt fall in November lockdown. Hes spunked millions of tax payers money on failed contracts like track and trace. Brexit was badly negotiated, fishermen were shafted, import/export is now more complicated than it was before and businesses have suffered.

Perhaps others may not have fared well either but hes certainly not 'pulled it out the bag'. I sincerly wish Tereasa May was leading over the pandemic, I think she would have done a much better job.

@Thewinterofdiscontent

He is responsible for so many deaths. And that’s. It said with hindsight. Italy were begging us to do something and lockdown, they told us what was coming and he ignored them.

And what, you stopped going out and wore a mask in February did you? Did you heck. No way would the country have supported an earlier lockdown. As it is we’ve have a very light touch with no curfews, minimal policing, masks by consent etc.
Italy was far from getting it right so I wouldn’t be taking advice from them.

According to this we've had one of the strictest lockdowns in the world. Mainly because we locked down late and allowed infection levels to get so high. www.breakingnews.ie/amp/ireland/ireland-under-strictest-lockdown-in-eu-claims-oxford-report-1086454.html

I work on the M3 corridor in a large secondary, our pupil attendance was significantly reduced in the week before the first lockdown. I drive London bound to work and traffic was significantly lighter in the week before as well. Large numbers of people who could stay at home effectively locked down early because it was clear that was sensible.

On worldometer of all countries sorted by deaths per million capita the UK is 15th, I'd say that's one of the highest.

Did you read my post above, on making covid comparisons? Plenty of countries with very high rates of death and infection won't even be bothering to collate and submit accurate data. Egypt for example.

@YouJustFoldItIn

On worldometer of all countries sorted by deaths per million capita the UK is 15th, I'd say that's one of the highest.

Did you read my post above, on making covid comparisons? Plenty of countries with very high rates of death and infection won't even be bothering to collate and submit accurate data. Egypt for example.

www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/articles/comparisonsofallcausemortalitybetweeneuropeancountriesandregions/2020

ONS comparisons of excess deaths across Europe finds UK second highest excess death rate of under 65s.

www.kingsfund.org.uk/press/press-releases/highest-rates-excess-deaths-in-the-world-ons-deaths-data-2020

UK had one of the highest excess death rates in the world in 2020.

Economist places us at joint 21st with Brazil. www.economist.com/graphic-detail/coronavirus-excess-deaths-tracker

I like him too.

I prefer Labour as a party.

But I live in Scotland so I vote for whichever unionist party is most likely to beat off the SNP.

But I like Boris too. And clearly lots of other people do too given the election results.

@choppysea Come off it. How did you seriously think this thread was going to go?

The vaccine rollout is a success

Because it’s been overseen by the NHS not Tory party friends.

@Hawkins001

"before the Leave campaign used that slogan on the bus, it was their responsibility to ensure it was true. It is not our responsibility to prove they knew it wasn't true - the guilt is theirs regardless"

But if we the public just took their word for it to begin with, that it was a true statement , then we then vote based on partly faulty intelligence,

I don't know what you - or anyone else - base your votes on. I do check facts before I vote, but many of the electorate don't - for all sorts of reasons. Some are gullible, some don't have research skills or critical thinking, some just don't have the time or inclination. There are people in the electorate who can't even punctuate a post or formulate a coherent argument in debate - it's not reasonable to expect them to check every statement made with a political agenda.

That's why, morally and legally, the onus is on the campaign to ensure their facts are accurate before they spaff them all over the side of a bus.

This is a man who can’t tell you how many children he has.
He’s disgusting.

Are you delusional in other areas of your life OP? Or just this one?

Suggest you speak to your GP

The vaccine rollout is a success

Because it’s been overseen by the NHS not Tory party friends

I keep seeing this said, over and over.

The NHS sticks it in people's arms. They didn't procure it. The government did. This government made the decision to hugely fund the development of the OAZ vaccine, much more than any EU country did. They approved it decisively, and in good time. They trusted the research that showed it was not only safe, but very effective to space the doses out over 12 weeks, thereby hugely reducing the hospitalisation rate very quickly. They ordered plenty of vaccine in plenty of time, at a fair price without trying to screw the manufacturer down on price. They agreed to take the risk upon themselves for any claims for damages if it caused harmful reactions in anyone. They signed a watertight contract that guaranteed we'd be prioritised over countries with a 'best efforts' contract. The EU did not do any of the above.

The NHS did an absolutely magnificent job of sticking it in people's arms. If we'd joined the EU vaccine programme the NHS would have spent most of the last few months nursing huge numbers of people in ICU and pronouncing them dead - not vaccinating them.

@AllThatisSolid

Look at us compared to Europe. How many lives have been lost due to their childish sniping.

You’re either a goody fucker or very stupid (or both) not know that the UK has the highest per capita death rate from COVID in Europe.

It doesn't. Suggest you look at excess deaths.

It was scientists and the NHS who ha helped us thru the pandemic not Boris