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I like Boris

282 replies

choppysea · 07/05/2021 22:58

Ok, so I am an expert re politics but I don't know why everyone is hating Boris. No one has had to deal with the issues he has re Brexit / Global pandemic and he has pretty much pulled both out of the bag. Look at us compared to Europe. How many lives have been lost due to their childish sniping. He has also had Covid. i am just baffled why everyone is hating on him, please explain???? So am I being unreasonable liking boris as an actual human being that makes mistakes but get shit done?

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EnjoyingTheSilence · 08/05/2021 08:35

This is so depressing. He is a proven liar and a cheat.

He got covid because he’s a fucking idiot and didn’t listen to the science. Eating patients with covid and shaking hands.

Brexit is a shambles and was always going to be.

He is responsible for so many deaths. And that’s. It said with hindsight. Italy were begging us to do something and lockdown, they told us what was coming and he ignored them.

I originally agreed with a pp that Boris is a cunt, but that has depth and warmth, qualities he doesn’t have.

EnjoyingTheSilence · 08/05/2021 08:35

Meeting not eating!

Whatafustercluck · 08/05/2021 08:35

Ok, so I am an expert re politics

OK, then we'll just leave that there.

EnjoyingTheSilence · 08/05/2021 08:36

Omg so many typos. Sorry!

LemonDrizzles · 08/05/2021 08:37

I also like him. I think most politicians start out with good intentions - in any party.

Squidthing · 08/05/2021 08:37

I never got over the fact he was going to pay someone to beat up a journalist. Underneath the affable buffoon facade he is a nasty thug.

Felty · 08/05/2021 08:40

I really didn’t think I could hate him any more after Brexit and the political clown show of 2019. However, following reading Failures of State and gaining a better understanding his decisions and leadership during 2020, he’s managed to move himself into a whole new column of politicians I utterly despise.

How any intelligent person can reflect on this man’s capabilities as prime minister of this country and come to any conclusion that isn’t contempt and revulsion is beyond me.

hamstersarse · 08/05/2021 08:41

Just to add about the PPE thing, what they actually did when NHS procurement were fucking everything up was bring procurement to Whitehall.

Anyone who has ever dealt with NHS procurement will know how totally disastrous they are, and one thing I do hope it that Boris goes through with the Cummings plan of shaking up the civil service. It’s inefficiencies are staggering.

Felty · 08/05/2021 08:42

@EnjoyingTheSilence

Meeting not eating!
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poptartsarefood · 08/05/2021 08:46

His basic positivity, big ideas and aspiration beat anything else on offer. He also seems to like this country and the people, which a lot of Labour politicians (and their bots/activists) struggle with.

PoppyFleur · 08/05/2021 08:57

Truth, honestly and integrity are no longer qualities we look for in politicians, business leaders, journalists and certainly not in the main stream media.

We are lied to with such casual regularity by Boris, politicians in general and the right wing media that we can no longer tell the difference between the lies and the truth.

Another fire yesterday in London in a high rise block of flats that had the same cladding as Greenfell. The builders that used this cladding donated £2.5 million to the Tory party recently. Corporations getting richer at the expense of every day people and there are no repercussions.

Boris missed essential COBRA meetings at the start of the pandemic because of a holiday in Mustique, paid for by a friend. He then had to strong arm his ex wife (who was recovering from cancer and had endured 3 operations to remove tumours) into a divorce. No wonder he could only start attending meetings in March 2020.

He has breached the ministerial code with his lying, accepted money for (favours) decorations and to pay his childcare. Arranged favourable tax incentives for pals and overseen the creation of a VIP lane of access to lucrative contracts for his mates. Lastly he personally nominated the son a high ranking KGB spy into the House of Lords.

But yes Boris is great. At this stage the man could slaughter the Andrex puppy live on air and people will find a reason as to why this was necessary and good for the country.

We have hit peak ‘I’m alright Jack’. The concept of society and striving to help one another is dying, if not already dead.

SueSaid · 08/05/2021 08:58

'Just to add about the PPE thing, what they actually did when NHS procurement were fucking everything up was bring procurement to Whitehall. Anyone who has ever dealt with NHS procurement will know how totally disastrous they are, and one thing I do hope it that Boris goes through with the Cummings plan of shaking up the civil service. It’s inefficiencies are staggering.'

Exactly.

I like him, I could not give a rat's ass about his private life or who paid for his refurb.

Our deaths per million are similar to the other 3 nations and the rest of Europe.

Mn thankfully isn't representative, we only have to look at yesterday's election results to see most people can see how with the vaccine rollout and the economy bounce back he actually knows what's he's doing.

FrankButchersDickieBow · 08/05/2021 09:00

Boris 'let the bodies pile up' Johnson. Ooh yes, he is a lovely man. Cheated on his wife, child he doesn't acknowledge, cronyism to the max. That Boris? Yes he is wonderful OP.

PhilCornwall1 · 08/05/2021 09:06

@hamstersarse

I have met Boris a few times.

He's a decent guy. Flirty. A bit bonkers. But I like a bit of non-robotic life about the place

A colleague of mine has worked with him. Their take on him is that you should never trust him as he'd stitch you up in an instant to save his own arse. Slow at understanding pretty much anything and has the attention span of a goldfish.

None of that is news.

SueSaid · 08/05/2021 09:08

You only have to look at the shambles that is the labour party to think thank god Johnson was in power during this crisis.

'Eating patients with covid and shaking hands. Brexit is a shambles and was always going to be.'

His point was hand washing was key.

Brexit was not a 'shambles', he secured a no tariff free trade deal which all the bed wetters said was impossible. Look at how the EU has behaved, the vaccine threats, the NI protocol disaster. Arent you glad we are out of their corrupt set up?!

ReneetheRobin · 08/05/2021 09:09

Unfortunately I met many men like Boris at university. Upper class and privileged (not a problem as no one can help the family they were born in to) but entitled, untrustworthy, mendacious, devoid of loyalty (which is a big problem in a Prime Minister). I wouldn't be at all surprised if his leadership comes to an end through some scandal or another related to lying about sex, or money or by making false statements to the commons. It's how he has always operated. He sees himself as above the law, above convention, above the truth.

Does his lying matter? Well yes because it erodes trust and democracy and yet thousands of voters put their trust in Boris yesterday. Incomprehensible in my view! They must think he genuinely believes in Britain, when it's patently obvious the only thing he believes in is himself, and maybe then only on Tuesdays. But what a hoot! What jolly japes. Life's a game after all isn't it? Except when you are playing with other people's.

Look at his history:

  • he was sacked from his job at The Times for making up quotes
  • he was sacked from the shadow cabinet for lying about an affair
  • he won the Brexit campaign based on a pack of lies aided by the tabloid press.
  • and now he lies to Parliament with impunity.

But that's ok because he's a jolly good chap!

I despair.

newnortherner111 · 08/05/2021 09:12

OP, so Mr Johnson got things done. So did Fred West, so did Harold Shipman, so did the Krays. All of whom caused far less suffering by their actions or inactions than Mr Johnson.

As for comparisons with the terrorist sympathiser and condoner of anti-semitism Mr Corbyn, there was never a realistic possibility of him being Prime Minister. Which is why I compare Mr Johnson's record with the Tory alternative leaders, particularly Mr Michael Gove and Mr Jeremy Hunt, and maintain that at least 10,000 fewer people would have died if a vaguely competent person was Prime Minister.

SueSaid · 08/05/2021 09:22

'OP, so Mr Johnson got things done. So did Fred West, so did Harold Shipman, so did the Krays. All of whom caused far less suffering by their actions or inactions than Mr Johnson.'

Oh stop being silly.

Sturgeon has has similar if not worse starts is she like Fred West too? www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-55120734

47% care home deaths in Scotland compared to England 30%.

mrsorms · 08/05/2021 09:28

well, I have never met Boris Johnson, so I have no opinion of him as a person. However, due to the pandemic, the government that he leads has not really had to govern. We have been in an emergency situation, which has led to a very 'top down', almost autocratic style of leadership, and, perhaps, this has given people the impression that Mr Johnson is strong, proactive and 'gets the job done'.

In actual fact, nothing could be further from the truth. Mr Johnson has left all decision making to the very last minute whereby he is faced with two options: do something or face disaster. It is a reactive, rather than proactive approach.

Like other have said, he has a long history of blatantly lying and the populist politics (perhaps mirroring Trump's rhetoric to 'the poor' and the vocal) such as creating a Northern Powerhouse, creating new opportunities for jobs, zero emissions by X date, are like words in the wind.

One of the problems is that there is no powerful opposition. Mr Starmer has great potential, but he is playing the quiet, reasonable man, and this will not work against the bluster of Boris.

So, I have no real opinion about Boris Johnson, but this way of 'governing' is a disaster.

mrsorms · 08/05/2021 09:29

Apologies for the rushed response.

bumblingbovine49 · 08/05/2021 09:38

After the elections , it seems like the majority agree with you op.

He is a lazy, lying, corrupt , arrogant excuse of a human being with no morals .

This has nothing to do with how he has dealt with Covid since that is a situation that everyone has struggled with

I sincerely despair of the human race that he is what we think we deserve in a leader

DrSbaitso · 08/05/2021 09:40

I've met him a few times, in the past. He is very charismatic in real life. Fantastic after dinner speaker.

I didn't fancy him, but I actually could see how he gets women, especially with so much money behind him. You do have to meet him in person to see it, though. Doesn't translate through the lens.

And he is odious, of course. But he wouldn't keep getting away with it if he didn't have some kind of charm.

soditall56 · 08/05/2021 09:42

Fuck me

LakieLady · 08/05/2021 09:45

Someone I know worked as a temp at the Spectator for a few weeks when he was editor.

He was known for being a bit "handsy" and she was advised to steer clear of ever getting into a lift alone with him.

SteveArnottsCodeine · 08/05/2021 09:46

Boris is an act. Alexander Johnson is a mean, angry and deplorable man. Eventually the mask will slip.

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