I like Boris

[choppysea]

Ok, so I am an expert re politics but I don't know why everyone is hating Boris. No one has had to deal with the issues he has re Brexit / Global pandemic and he has pretty much pulled both out of the bag. Look at us compared to Europe. How many lives have been lost due to their childish sniping. He has also had Covid. i am just baffled why everyone is hating on him, please explain???? So am I being unreasonable liking boris as an actual human being that makes mistakes but get shit done?

*Had Boris locked down when advised to the second time, tens of thousands of lives could have been saved.

This is definitely true, it was also true at the very beginning when it was totally clear what was likely to happen here when the virus struck, as we’d seen what had been happening in Italy and Spain. But Boris and his government kept their heads in the sand for too long.

However you look at it, a death toll of 128,000 is a terrible indictment, not to mention the thousands suffering from Long Covid (I’m one of those people).

He is a corrupt, shameless, repulsive and incompetent yabvu.

ONS comparisons of excess deaths across Europe finds UK second highest excess death rate of under 65s.

But only 7th in Europe for excess deaths overall.

wonderstuff
Economist places us at joint 21st with Brazil.

The chart in your link shows that 8 countries in the European Union have a higher rate of excess deaths than the UK - with 3 more countries following close behind. Not a great advert for the EU.

@Chloemol

Brave post op, majority on here hate him, and anything to do with conservatives.

But then cant come up with anyone who would do any better, and would probably be far worse

Yup. So right.

I am beyond sick of British politics being turned into a celebrity game show.

This is a country of nearly 70 million people now. Why all the focus on 2 men, Johnson v Starmer??

I’m beyond sick of the lack of representation, the lack of representation of many, and the lack of representation of ideas and policies.

Johnson plays up to all that. If you want a modern version of the Roman Empire then carry on discussing who likes him or not as if we were all a bunch of teens on Instagram rather than being interested in looking at the many difficulties people now have making a living in this shitshow.

1. His slow and dismissive attitude at the start of the pandemic has cost thousands of lives.
2. Giving track and trace contract to his friends means it was an abject failure. There were other options but he chose to line the pockets of his cronies.
3. His lack of a moral compass or any clear set of values (lies, changes his decisions based on personal gain, attitude as a father)
4. He is incompetent as shared by many of his ex employees and I know someone who worked on a project with him.
5. He isn’t congruent- puts on a show rather than actually doing his job.
6. Misogynist
7. Racist
8. Brexit
9. Not sacking Dominic Cummings when he acted in a way that lead to a decrease in compliance with COVID rules.

I could go on - like him if you want - he doesn’t give a toss about you or anyone else unless there is something in it for him.

*ex-employers

@Thewinterofdiscontent I refer you to my post on Sat 08-May-21 00:56:30. Page 5.

I would be careful. Assuming anyone who doesn't vote Labour and share their champagne socialist views is a knuckle dragging loser who isn't fit to vote is the best way to lose votes. Hartlepool have just proved that to you with Brexit and elections. While the mumsnet mums were prepping and crying that the world would be ended by Brexit, they forgot to think about the possibility that there maybe actually people with other opinions empowered to vote as they saw fit.

champagne socialists as opposed to champagne swilling Tories laughing up their sleeves at all the people they consider plebs (anyone who earns less than £100,000) voting for them.

'not know that the UK has the highest per capita death rate from COVID in Europe.'

@AllThatisSolid please do some research before calling other people stupid.

www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

While the mumsnet mums were prepping and crying that the world would be ended by Brexit,

Slight aside, but Brexit isn’t over yet. It will never be over, unless we rejoin the EU. You got what you wanted. We’re here.

So, to be more explicit - you have control. What do you want to do now? What do you want Britain to be?
(Or, let’s pretend we have control )

Germany dealt with Covid successfully. They have had far fewer deaths than us. If we had had the same death rate as them there would be 55,000 fewer dead.

That's a lot of blood on the hands of the person making the decision.

Over years Boris and his party have stripped the NHS, worsened inequality & poverty (both big drivers of our high death rate vs other large wealthy countries). They also failed to prepare, ignoring the recommendations that came out of a pandemic preparedness exercise.

Michel Barnier described him as baroque. Diplomatic language well used if you look up the meaning.

@Pedallleur

Michel Barnier described him as baroque. Diplomatic language well used if you look up the meaning.

A perfect description.

What does someone private life have to do with their ability to do a job ? Also there isn't a single politician that hasn't over promised, got it wrong, made a blunder , forgotten what they said they'd do, or changed their opinion. You are allowed to change, to learn, to be educated on issues.

The density of the UK is a massive factor in the spread of Covid.

Boris is a character and I think that makes he seem more approachable. An English eccentric type.

The bodies he wanted to see pile up were someone’s loved one, someone cared for each and every one of those people. Let’s also not get into the fact he’s a massive homophobe, sexist and racist. Oh and the fact his coffee table cost more than some people earn in three months- paid for by a ‘Tory donor’ who then became a lord. Not corrupt at all.

I said it last night to DH but I do feel like Boris could literally murder 50 people and would still manage to gain a majority because he ‘got Brexit done’ and vaccines.

Any leader would have got Brexit done, it was always going to happen so he (Cummings) played a real blinder with that one.

Boris is a character and I think that makes he seem more approachable. An English eccentric type.

Yeah, if you find elitist racists approachable.

Boris is a character and I think that makes he seem more approachable. An English eccentric type.

A lot of people are like you and fall for his artfully created persona. The hair mussed up just so, the rehearsed bumbling manner. So many people are impressed with this posh and clownish veneer. Demonstrates how vapid our politics really are.

I don't like either of them, but wonder if he's 'met his match' with Carrie and he'll be the one who comes out of their relationship as the loser.

@hamstersarse

Get stuff done? Like decorate his flat on other peoples money, give his mates PPE contracts, ket thousands more people die than necessary? Is that what you mean?

He didn’t seem to want to get stuff done when it came to attending COBRA meetings.

It’s all such childish criticism. He’s allowed to decorate his flat and borrow money to do that.

The PPE thing....have you ever been in a crisis situation and used your friends? The entire country was demanding ppe for healthcare workers. There was none. NHS procurement was fucking it up big time because they are generally incompetent. Shipments were stuck in ports, it was all moving at a snails pace and people were dying.
In his position, I’d do exactly the same...a trusted friend said he’d be able to help. I’d snap their hands off.

Except he was only “borrowing” the money after he was found out and if he was only “borrowing the money” why won’t he tell us who he was borrowing it from? Why did the Tory party take over the loan? Want to bet it was someone who’s making a fortune out of the Tory government?

Why was the NHS fucking it up? Where do you get your information from. You do know the NHS had a PPE stockpile until the Tory government sold it off?

Whilst I do agree that emergency measures for procurement were necessary, it’s quite telling that donors, families and friends of the Tory party have been issued £2.2 billion worth of contracts to supply PPE. You have the health secretary and his sister forming a company out of nowhere to take one of these contracts. It stinks and if you can’t see it, it’s because you don’t want to see it.

This is a man who can’t tell you how many children he has.
He’s disgusting.

He can tell you. He just doesn't have to because it's none of your fucking business.

The mother of that child lost a legal battle to keep the paternity a secret. She didn't want the hyenas poring over her child and her private life and turning it into tabloid entertainment or political ammunition. Has it ever occurred to you that Boris's refusal to publicly acknowledge this child or to dish the details is out of respect for her mother? Her wishes and her child's right to privacy?

You have absolutely no idea what private arrangement they came to when she decided to go ahead with a pregnancy after a brief affair with a married man. She may not even want him to have any involvement or to acklnowledge the child. Stop behaving like he owes you some sort of explanation. He doesn't. You judgemental, pitchfork wielding vulture.

Has it ever occurred to you that Boris's refusal to publicly acknowledge this child or to dish the details is out of respect for her mother?

No.