I like Boris

[choppysea]

Ok, so I am an expert re politics but I don't know why everyone is hating Boris. No one has had to deal with the issues he has re Brexit / Global pandemic and he has pretty much pulled both out of the bag. Look at us compared to Europe. How many lives have been lost due to their childish sniping. He has also had Covid. i am just baffled why everyone is hating on him, please explain???? So am I being unreasonable liking boris as an actual human being that makes mistakes but get shit done?

He's a complete wanker . And he's laughing at the likes of you ,OP - all the way to the (offshore) bank.

@choppysea you can like Boris if that’s your thing, but what do you and so many people see in this racist, blustering, buffoon?

Thanks to his inept choice of words when Foreign Affairs minister Nazanin Zhagari-Ratcliffe is still imprisoned.

He is a serial adulterer, a liar, switched sides to champion Brexit because he saw a chance to be PM, not because he necessarily believed in Brexit. He heads up a venal, uncaring administration.

As Mayor of London I thought he seemed alright but now we know that he didn’t fulfill that role very well, wasted so much money on the Garden Bridge.

And now he’s claiming penury because the PM’s salary isn’t enough to cover his outgoings.

www.independent.co.uk/voices/boris-johnson-jennifer-arcuri-general-election-brexit-business-a9208066.html

Morals of an alley cat

@Hawkins001

Could you confirm who or what you mean when you say "lying and dithering in a good light?" And what sources do you use to come to that conclusion, do you just use news reports, Do you cross reference, your news sources or do you just limit yourself to one source ? Do you study any of the various reports produced on the different aspects and issues of government policies ect ?

Lying.

He denied the herd immunity policy which was later confirmed in cabinet meeting notes. He was complicit in the whole mess of lies Cumshot told about Barnard castle. He’s been sacked for lying twice from national newspapers. He’s a liar.

Dithering.

He’s an unashamed populist who changes his mind depending on public opinion. Can you name a single prime minister who’s been forced into so many u-turns? I’ve listed the issues, face masks, school meals, SSP,, firebreak, 5 day Christmas holiday etc. The trouble is that he’s the leader of the nasty party and pandering to his back bench leads him into conflict with public opinion and makes him look indecisive.

Why did he fail to sack Cummings? It’s fairly common knowledge that it was because Cummings was working him like a sock puppet and he struggled to make decisions without him. How do I come to that conclusion? By reading from a wide range of sources not just the daily fail or the BBC but international news as well, CNN, NBC, etc who have no political skin in the game like the national media do. I do draw the line at Fox News though.

Brexit bus ring any bells enough said from me.

@Justanotherlurker

For all Corbyn's faults, can anyone really say they think his first reaction to covid would have been to let us all die, sorry I mean herd immunity? Of course not. But, that's what Boris Johnson was advocating at first.

We don't know, do you think he would have come out and said we need to close the boarder earlier, would you complain after the pandemic that the track and trace system (any goverment IT project) would be shit.

Corbyn was a life long eurosceptic, if labour voters had let him be what his principals was we, instead of flipping it into a left/right argument we may have found out, but these hypotheticals of 'we can't say he would be shit, he would be great' is just cult like behaviour and why labour are currently in crisis.

At some point a a full inquest is going to be done world wide into the reaction to covid, until then people are using retrospective analysis when this time last year they where screaming at the government to do something! When that comes out, it will look bad/shady on every government in power across the world, pretending another style of government would have done worse/better is alternative history fan fiction that plays to personal biases which you are also a part of.

I'm not a Corbynite. I think he's been an absolute disaster for the Labour party. But my point is, he's not a raging sociopath, Johnson quite plainly is.

For all his faults, Corbyn has a basic humanity Johnson lacks.

Boris Johnson deliberately let thousands die because of his politicking. How can anyone forgive that?

I'm not suggesting another style of government would do better. I'm suggesting that having anyone with the basic humanity Johnson lacks, would have served us better.

He ignored clear WHO advice and let thousands die and not just once. The UK's stats are abysmal compared to other countries. How can anyone forgive this?

He is a twat of the highest order both in his personal and professional lives.

Is the OP Carrie Symonds, or someone in Conservative Central Office? Or a troll?

The only thing he seems to be able to do repeatedly and 'get things done' is in the bedroom.

He’s a manipulative, lazy, entitled, privileged cunt

For all his faults, Corbyn has a basic humanity Johnson lacks.

Corbyn has many covert narcissist traits.

It’s interesting that Boris is criticised for flip flopping. I see that as a positive trait, being able to change your mind is crucial when you are dealing with something like Covid. It’s constantly changing and so must you. If you’ve ever chamged your mind on something important, you’ll know the excruciating feelings that brings so it’s actually quite brave (if you don’t know the feeling I’m talking about...maybe it’s time to learn)

Corbyn on the other hand, even YESTERDAY, unable to admit he was wrong about anti-semiticism. That is much more dangerous than someone who is capable of changing their course of action

I genuinely don't understand how people can be so naive. It would be one thing if Boris was simply incompetent but well meaning/ He very obviously isn't. Covid was a disaster, Brexit is a disaster, child poverty is a disaster, he's destroying the NHS against expert advice and he's doing it all on purpose. People like him because they're personally not affeced and they don't give a shit about other people.

@ViciousJackdaw
Still here waiting.....
See this is why I’d be a shit PM. I feel really aggrieved when people spread lies about me ( I’m not a sock puppet and other posters listened to you) or put 2 and 2 together and make 5 and that’s all people do with politicians.

It’s like slagging off the manager at work. They obviously have to keep some stuff to themselves but it that doesn’t make them a liar when “ the truth” comes out or dishonest, it’s just much easier to say that.

BJ u turning isn’t a fault though surely? It’s reading the room. Christmas being a prime example because by that point half the country was ready to risk it and the other half were demanding stricter lockdown. It was always a lose/ lose situation.
Half of those things on travellinglighters list are debatable . For example Cheltenham and others going ahead would be based on whatever scientific advice he was given about the virus.He himself went to Twickenham. We weren’t in lockdown and people were amazed when we did . BLM protestors were happy with the risk of an outside event whilst we were in lockdown and people were largely ok that they did.

Strange - just the one post from the OP?

Yes all the corrupt deals were great. They were only billions of pounds straight into his mates' pockets. Depressing we have so many people who want to vote for people who have always been of the elite world and will continue to keep the poor in their place or worse. You don't have to be of any particular socio economic background to understand this: our ingrained class deference makes people see Boris as a harmless fool!

Dutifully listening to morally bereft people and reading their papers as if they're not owned by the same people is what our general public does so well... And just look at the collection of flag waving xenophobic idiots our country has become.

@choppysea

Ok, so I am an expert re politics but I don't know why everyone is hating Boris. No one has had to deal with the issues he has re Brexit / Global pandemic and he has pretty much pulled both out of the bag. Look at us compared to Europe. How many lives have been lost due to their childish sniping. He has also had Covid. i am just baffled why everyone is hating on him, please explain???? So am I being unreasonable liking boris as an actual human being that makes mistakes but get shit done?

I can truly see WHY people like Boris.

If you don't bother to actually look beyond the words, he comes across as quite likeable. He also sounds like a guy who, because he wants everyone to like him, tries to get things done to help regular folk. Someone once told me they thought he was centrist - reanalysing I understood why.... he's the 2020 equivalent of Maggie with her, "I'm going to make you ALL rich" rhethoric.

The trouble with Boris is that there is a TOTAL disconnect between what he says and the truth. It's normal for politicians to distort things, to exaggerate etc. But I don't believe we've EVER had a leader that lied so readily before. In the past anyone caught out with even a small lie would have been force to resign - but the press largely aren't that interested, so whenever he's caught out, it never gathers public traction. (One really has to wonder at what deals have been concocted between No 10 and some of those papers....)

And then if we look beyond the words - what exactly HAS Boris done to merit such adoration?
He's "delivered" a Brexit deal, similar to, but slightly worse for the UK than May's agreement and almost immediately afterwards got the UK involved in numerous rows about it suggesting that the agreement signed wasn't actually understood by the government.

He presided over a very messy covid response that left the UK one of the worst affected countries in the world.

He HAS authorised one of the best vaccine programs in the world.

Announced that climate change targets be brought forward to a ridiculously short time frame AND he hasn't done ANYTHING to try to make that happen! In fact the few government initiatives that helped the UK go green, have been scrapped.

Announced Freeports - which are kind of proven to simply shift economic activity from one area to another at the taxpayer's expense which is why the UK got rid of the ones it had 10 years ago.

Announced a bridge to Ireland - oh dear!

So other than the vaccine program, I struggle to find anything useful that Boris has accomplished or planned in his entire political career!

@hamstersarse

For all his faults, Corbyn has a basic humanity Johnson lacks.

Corbyn has many covert narcissist traits.

It’s interesting that Boris is criticised for flip flopping. I see that as a positive trait, being able to change your mind is crucial when you are dealing with something like Covid. It’s constantly changing and so must you. If you’ve ever chamged your mind on something important, you’ll know the excruciating feelings that brings so it’s actually quite brave (if you don’t know the feeling I’m talking about...maybe it’s time to learn)

Corbyn on the other hand, even YESTERDAY, unable to admit he was wrong about anti-semiticism. That is much more dangerous than someone who is capable of changing their course of action

Yes. Changing and adapting to a dynamic situation, even when it underlines an earlier mistake, is a massive positive. It's media spin that makes it otherwise.

@SaltAndVinegarSandwiches

I genuinely don't understand how people can be so naive. It would be one thing if Boris was simply incompetent but well meaning/ He very obviously isn't. Covid was a disaster, Brexit is a disaster, child poverty is a disaster, he's destroying the NHS against expert advice and he's doing it all on purpose. People like him because they're personally not affeced and they don't give a shit about other people.

I think your expectations of what a government does are over reaching.

The people voted for Brexit. The government carried out this democratic vote from the people. It’s not Boris who got to decide on Brexit. He at the very least did get Brexit done, on behalf of the people.

Covid, too early to say exactly. I think there are many counties (most) where it could be described as a disaster. But expectations that a government can stop every single disaster in life are just over reaching and a bit childish. Like you want them to act as your surrogate Daddy, protecting you from all the monsters. That could be a form of government I suppose, but it’s more communist than anything, and that doesn’t tend to work out well either

I like him too. He's positive and wants to get stuff done. Life is too short for constant misery and whinging

On climate change, i presume people know that the UK are considered the 4th Greenest country in the world?

Our self flagellation knows no bounds. Constantly putting ourselves down

@SaltAndVinegarSandwiches

I genuinely don't understand how people can be so naive. It would be one thing if Boris was simply incompetent but well meaning/ He very obviously isn't. Covid was a disaster, Brexit is a disaster, child poverty is a disaster, he's destroying the NHS against expert advice and he's doing it all on purpose. People like him because they're personally not affeced and they don't give a shit about other people.

Yes. The problem is indeed that these days most people don't want a fair society. They want a society which benefits them and is unfair to other people to make it that way.

And combined with deprived areas such as Hartlepool, where they simply vote for the anti immigrant stuff rather than anything that's good for them.

Hello Carrie, is that you?

I can’t bear the man. On a par with Trump as far as I’m concerned.
Only out for himself and his posh mates

@poptartsarefood

I like him too. He's positive and wants to get stuff done. Life is too short for constant misery and whinging

Get stuff done? Like decorate his flat on other peoples money, give his mates PPE contracts, ket thousands more people die than necessary? Is that what you mean?

He didn’t seem to want to get stuff done when it came to attending COBRA meetings.

He's vile. Immoral, corrupt and a vile pig of a man .

And he's not a harmless bumbling buffoon. I wish people would stop referring to him as Boris. He's a powerful man whose actions have killed over a hundred thousand people, who give contracts to his chums and who really doesn't give a shit about the working class or poor people in this country (and god forbid if you are in poverty).

No one has had to deal with the issues he has re Brexit He and his fellow travellers CREATED the issue of Brexit. There was absolutely no need for the chaos they caused. Even if it made sense for the UK to leave the EU, it didn't have to be all-out-idiocy, knees-the-fuck-up Mother Broon, burn the world down stupidity and recklessness such as he has pushed and presided over.

... Global pandemic... Every country in the world deals with this.

...and he has pretty much pulled both out of the bag. Look at us compared to Europe. How many lives have been lost due to their childish sniping. LOL, nope.

I am just baffled why everyone is hating on him, please explain???? No one is hating "on" him, people just don't agree with some of his decisions. That's usual.

So am I being unreasonable liking boris as an actual human being that makes mistakes but get shit done? No, not unreasonable to like him and not unreasonable to think his decisions are good, but others will disagree that they are good. Why all the toddler-level drama?

Get stuff done? Like decorate his flat on other peoples money, give his mates PPE contracts, ket thousands more people die than necessary? Is that what you mean?

He didn’t seem to want to get stuff done when it came to attending COBRA meetings.

It’s all such childish criticism. He’s allowed to decorate his flat and borrow money to do that.

The PPE thing....have you ever been in a crisis situation and used your friends? The entire country was demanding ppe for healthcare workers. There was none. NHS procurement was fucking it up big time because they are generally incompetent. Shipments were stuck in ports, it was all moving at a snails pace and people were dying.
In his position, I’d do exactly the same...a trusted friend said he’d be able to help. I’d snap their hands off.