to be surprised at how many Mumsnetters are fine with pornography?

[Elizabetth]

Particularly as porn has become so much more mainstream in the past few years, I'd have thought that people would be concerned about premature sexualisation of children. Also I'm surprised that so many women are fine with it given that the humiliation and degradation of women is the central theme of pornography. You only have to look at the titles to realise that.

You are all just a bunch of prudes.

lol

I agree with everything Elizabetth has said. Porn is insidious and is creeping into the mainstream - it can be observed in music videos, children's clothes...you name it. Cosmopolitan's woman of the year is someone who has made a living out of having her tits inflated and photographed - great role model. This is what we now aspire to and celebrate as achievement. God help us.

And to those who say they ' wouldn't mind' if their own daughter went into porn - well, of course thery are lying to themselves and they know it.

The whole shaving thing is especially repugnant to me. Why are vaginas routinely shaved in porn? is it to make the women look more like little girls? do we also like child porn in that case? is this what Chris Lagnham likes too?

I read a bit about porn today in a book called Fresh Milk - v interesting it was too. It was about lactation and pregnant porn. I thoroughly recommend the book, for all sorts of reasons - the porn bit is a short chapter.

Hee.

I don't get why women in the porn industry are always singled out by elizabtth

Is it because they have the holes? If you are anti it, you should be anti it for the men too, who have to perform and produce hard ons, at least the women can act their orgasms

Many of Elizabetths posts are anti men

As for kids finding porn and being traumatised, I doubt it for run of the mill stuff, little ones won't know what they have seen, older ones will giggle and talk to mates and much older will porb steal it. Of course I don't think kids should see it, just saying i they chanced upon some

Yes, the industry has bad practise but not in ALL porn, same as all walks of life

And (again not condoning it at all) but young girls were married off as that is when we are most fertile and of course most people were dead by 40. Most of the men were married off young too, but they hit puberty later and couldn't procreate until they were a few years older than the girls

Sexuality was much much free-er pre prudish victorian times, look at the artwork of ancient civilisations or read of the romans or ancient greeks. Sexuality and sexual practices were much more open then ....all perverted? Or just allowed to enjoy a very basic human act

I have no problem with porn, I had no problem with ex using porn and could/can differentiate between the basic act of masturbation and the making love between 2 people. If the making love involves using extras like porn or fetishes or roleplay etc, it shouldn't concern anyone else

BY OBM - 'norma - i think that bcs a woman can find porn arousing doesn't mean it's not misogynist.

from a 'social crit' pov we are all capable of absorbing the projections of the dominant group in society - that's what those projections are designed to do.

hope that doesn't soudn dismissive - i too have found porn arousing - but bcs I think it speaks to a damaged part of me. '

Really, REALLY agree with this. Sexual response is moderated and shaped by what we see around us.

Yes, saw that, she has a point, it really isn't black and white is it? No one can argue against the fact that men are dominant in society, but we can't just blame porn.

The thought that pregnancy porn exists just makes me

Men have festishised everything about women.

Do you not think that Jordan has made her money using her head though? There are alot of page 3 models out there who have no where near the fame or money as Jordan.

I don't understand the need for shaving in porn (other than to show more internal organs, lol) but then I shave and i'm not in porn - For hygiene reasons

So have women, E (fetishised everything about men, that is)

Pregnancy porn!? Hmmm I don't see the draw personally but then it could be the look of the woman (maybe they find it sexy)

As soon as Jordan could she put her clothes back on and now makes her money in a celebrity couple. That should say something about the marvellousness of being a sex object.

Also Jordan is another woman who experienced sexual assault when she was very young.

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exactly Kerrymum

E - Do you think that being abused young makes you go take your clothes off?

Also you haven't answered what I asked before.

But Katie Price is often quoted as saying that she enjoys her Jordan persona.

She strikes me as the type of person to yell like hell if she was forced into anything.

minority I can absolutely assure you that 'little ones who find porn' are very very confused and disturbed by what they see.
they might not know what they have seen in that they haven't seen it in real life, but they are disturbed by it, and in a very different way from 'little ones who walk in on mummy and daddy having a shag'.

I think we just get so angry because they do it secretly and most of us are a bit keener on the shared experience - so it feels like a betrayal. Regardless of all the pros and cons of the porn industry.

Rather than asking questions why don't you make an argument LS? This isn't a Q&A session.

'Sexual response is moderated and shaped by what we see around us'

Maybe that explains a lot of women's response to porn then? Maybe they have been shaped by society (their mothers, teachers etc., after all, children are brought up in a matriarchal world) to view it as abhorent, demoralising, degrading etc. and something that is wrong, and that's why we get the responses like ELizabetth's to porn?

E - I am really starting to warm to you