To think that Conservatives don't actually care about 'red wall' voters beyond getting their vote

[Tuesdaysintheazores]

But people who live there and are going to be voting Conservative obviously do feel that they are the best people to represent them. Very interested to hear from people who live in red wall areas. AIBU?

YABU = Conservatives actually do care about these people now

YANBU = Conservatives just trying to get the votes and seats

Good analysis bookworm1632

I think it will be like the Thatcher era where things get worse and it lasts a long time, and many will always support 'Boris' just like many still think Thatcher was wonderful- some of them-boomer generation- the same people of course

I read somewhere that a chunk of the red wall effect was actually people buying new-build homes in these towns - so they were always Tory just didn't live in those areas.

The changes in London seats are also profound - Tories look set to struggle in areas of the SE they used to hold safely. Again to do with migration patterns.

They haven't even bothered canvassing where I live. We are still red, though.

I read somewhere that a chunk of the red wall effect was actually people buying new-build homes in these towns - so they were always Tory just didn't live in those areas.

Are you under the impression that there are swathes of new builds across the north east just full to the brim of people from the Tory heartlands?

I'm in the NW. Labour candidates in our local area completely agree that both Starmer and Labour's stance on certain topics are a huge problem for them. Lisa Nandy said in London that male rapists should be housed in a women's prison if they identify as a woman. She has not said this in Wigan, as she knows that the response would be WTF.

Fortunately most voters realise that the country is not in a position to spend any more money on those issues. If anything we will have to cut back further.

There’s nothing left to cut. Austerity was ideological as the discovery of the covid magic money forest proved. Johnson has promised no more austerity - for what that’s worth.

@Tuesdaysintheazores

My family live in a red wall area - everyone they know voted conservative for the first time because they hated Jeremy Corbyn.

I get that but I wonder what's keeping them going back now that Corbyn is gone I suppose, and having seen a bit of what the Conservatives are like. Do you think they will be permanently Conservative now going forwards? Maybe making that big change means people are more likely to stick with it.

What’s keeping them? The fact that Keir Starmer worked for Corbyn, he is hardly a new face. He stood by an supported everything that Corbyn came out with. The fact that senior labour leaders are so unlikeable that they turn people off.

Let’s take a look, Angela Rayner with her baby mama routine, only claim to fame is a teenage pregnancy and snarls at people on tv. Shadow chancellor looks like she will start crying everytime she is on tv. Lisa Nandy, we’ll plenty spoke about her ideas about women upthread.

If they are can’t even do opposition right, why would anyone think they could make a credible government.

Let’s take a look, Angela Rayner with her baby mama routine, only claim to fame is a teenage pregnancy and snarls at people on tv

I really admire the way Angela Rayner has pulled herself up from being a teenage mum to the position she's got into now. It says a lot about her as a person and I think it's refreshing to see somebody like that, with real life experiences, in politics rather than just another privileged man churned out from Eton

@Tuesdaysintheazores

Good analysis bookworm1632

I think it will be like the Thatcher era where things get worse and it lasts a long time, and many will always support 'Boris' just like many still think Thatcher was wonderful- some of them-boomer generation- the same people of course

Do you actually know what Thatcher inherited? She changed the economy structurally, many don’t agree with it, but the alternative was far worse. The anecdotes about the winter of discontent didn’t come from people’s imagination.

sst1234
You think she did good I think she caused a lot of heartache and we will have to agree to disagree on that

@Alsohuman

Fortunately most voters realise that the country is not in a position to spend any more money on those issues. If anything we will have to cut back further.

There’s nothing left to cut. Austerity was ideological as the discovery of the covid magic money forest proved. Johnson has promised no more austerity - for what that’s worth.

There plenty left to cut and there were be plenty more austerity. Most of it will be cuts in real terms as the currency keeps devaluing.

@Tuesdaysintheazores

Let’s take a look, Angela Rayner with her baby mama routine, only claim to fame is a teenage pregnancy and snarls at people on tv

I really admire the way Angela Rayner has pulled herself up from being a teenage mum to the position she's got into now. It says a lot about her as a person and I think it's refreshing to see somebody like that, with real life experiences, in politics rather than just another privileged man churned out from Eton

Yes becoming a Grandmother at 37 does tell you alot about a person but it isn't anything positive.

Yes becoming a Grandmother at 37 does tell you alot about a person but it isn't anything positive.

What an unpleasant judgemental comment

@CurbsideProphet

I'm in the NW. Labour candidates in our local area completely agree that both Starmer and Labour's stance on certain topics are a huge problem for them. Lisa Nandy said in London that male rapists should be housed in a women's prison if they identify as a woman. She has not said this in Wigan, as she knows that the response would be WTF.

We all know what she said, don't worry.

@picturesandpickles

I read somewhere that a chunk of the red wall effect was actually people buying new-build homes in these towns - so they were always Tory just didn't live in those areas.

The changes in London seats are also profound - Tories look set to struggle in areas of the SE they used to hold safely. Again to do with migration patterns.

Certainly the case in Bolsover Lots of new builds and young professionals/families and not the local ex miners and their families

@bp300, there’s nothing to cut. If there was we wouldn’t have food banks and people sleeping on the streets. Austerity has been completely discredited and the current government was elected on a manifesto not to repeat it. If it does, it will be political suicide. We need tax rises and targeted spending that doesn’t benefit ministers’ chums.

Well liebour did not and has not cared for the voters in the "traditional" constituencies. Let down on so many counts for the London centric wokerati, they paid the price. Have they learned their lesson? No, The presumption that the working class would vote for a goat if it had s labour rosette on it has been thankfully proved wrong.

London centric wokerati

[quote Alsohuman]@bp300, there’s nothing to cut. If there was we wouldn’t have food banks and people sleeping on the streets. Austerity has been completely discredited and the current government was elected on a manifesto not to repeat it. If it does, it will be political suicide. We need tax rises and targeted spending that doesn’t benefit ministers’ chums.[/quote]
Everything will be cut. You can either do it the honest way and stop spending or you do what the government are doing which is real terms cuts through currency devaluation. The latter will be alot worse.

I don’t know what part of already cut to the bone you fail to understand. Or why you don’t appear to understand why reneging on manifesto promises in the wake of a landslide election victory is a sure fire way of losing the next one.

@Alsohuman

I don’t know what part of already cut to the bone you fail to understand. Or why you don’t appear to understand why reneging on manifesto promises in the wake of a landslide election victory is a sure fire way of losing the next one.

They are nowhere near cut to the bone. We have an enormous public sector and huge public spending, along with an enormous defecit. If we continue to run huge deficits we will be massively devalue our currency which will mean huge reductions to public services in real terms.

Or why you don’t appear to understand why reneging on manifesto promises in the wake of a landslide election victory is a sure fire way of losing the next one.

It wouldn't matter who won the 2019 election the pandemic would have affected their ability to deliver their manifesto. History suggests the size of the Conservatives majority means they will almost certainly win the next GE. I would really welcome a viable alternative but there isn't one and I can't see that changing anytime soon.

Labour have lost Hartlepool.
Another nail in their coffin it seems.
They should reflect on what they stand for and realize that putting a remainer up for election in that seat wasn't a great move.
We need a strong opposition and it's slowly being eradicated because the Labour Party are too busy pampering to the so called ' woke' brigade and not listening to their electorate enough. An electorate there who clearly isn't that worried about wallpaper.
Once you lose seats like this you know that something is very wrong. Where are the alternatives to the Conservatives who can stop them in their tracks ? Nobody as far as I can see.

@the80sweregreat

Labour have lost Hartlepool. Another nail in their coffin it seems. They should reflect on what they stand for and realize that putting a remainer up for election in that seat wasn't a great move. We need a strong opposition and it's slowly being eradicated because the Labour Party are too busy pampering to the so called ' woke' brigade and not listening to their electorate enough. An electorate there who clearly isn't that worried about wallpaper. Once you lose seats like this you know that something is very wrong. Where are the alternatives to the Conservatives who can stop them in their tracks ? Nobody as far as I can see.

Jesus that is a big blow. Labour have held that seat since the early 70s.

They haven't just lost Hartlepool it has been won with a large majority, almost 11,000 difference on last time from an almost 5000 labour majority to almost 7000 tory, that is a huge swing.