To think that a Rape Crisis centre should not have a transwoman CEO?

[ArabellaScott]

Mridhul Wadhwa has just been appointed CEO of Edinburgh Rape Crisis. The job was advertised as for women only. Mridhul is a transwoman (born male) without a Gender Recognition Certificate.

AIBU to think that women survivors of rape and sexual violence should be able to have a female only space?

theedinburghreporter.co.uk/2021/05/new-boss-for-edinburgh-rape-crisis-centre/

@JammyGem

Oh give over.

She is a woman, she'll be perfectly fine at the job.

No HE is biologically a man. That's like me saying I identify as Kim kardashian... Doesn't make me her no matter how much surgery I have. Men can't become women and vise versa. Your sex is assigned at birth and that's it

Jinx, Robotic

@Potteringshed

YABU to post here and not FWR which is really the proper place for yet another trans debate.

We can discuss of implications of trans ideology on others any where we want to.

Bloody hell those were fast deletions

Mnhq working overtime 🍷

I think the issue is the rape victim not feeling comfortable with MEN, I doubt they really give a shot about what you’re wearing.

It is deeply inappropriate for you to continue to use the slur 'TERF' on a thread about a rape crisis service given the violent sexual and death threats women receive who are deemed to be 'TERF's'. If you cannot engage in a discussion without slurs or personal insults, it just shows how much your argument is lacking.

I meant i wouldn't feel comfortable with a trans person IN THAT SPECIFIC CONTEXT ffs. Surely that's fucking obvious.

In the olden days (pre covid. Remember those?) I regularly socialised with trans people.

Why does not being a terf mean I'm not a feminist? (Not that I've ever actually claimed to be one)

@BetterKateThanNever

Interesting how mumsnet deletes comments discussing how blatantly transphobic posters are, but lets this shitshow of a thread stay up!

This comment doesn't seem "in the spirit" of civil debate. Maybe try addressing an actual point that you disagree with.

@BetterKateThanNever

Well if you can't 'tell' that your counsellor is transgender, what's the issue?

It's completely transphobic to ask for a different counsellor because they're trans, but if it's because they appear to be male to you, or are making you uncomfortable, you can still request someone else. You can request a different counsellor for any reason, whether it's kind or not.

I don't think wanting a female rather than a male counsellor is transphobic, their sex is the issue not them being trans. Wouldn't it be transphobic if you didn't want a transman when you were happy with any other female, or didn't want a transwoman but any other male would be fine?

What's a TERF?

Just to give an idea of the balance between female and male victims of sexual offences.:

'Approximately 85,000 women and 12,000 men (aged 16 - 59) experience rape, attempted rape or sexual assault by penetration in England and Wales alone every year;'

rapecrisis.org.uk/get-informed/about-sexual-violence/statistics-sexual-violence/

Interesting how mumsnet deletes comments discussing how blatantly transphobic posters are, but lets this shitshow of a thread stay up!

Aye, those pesky bloody women, not sitting down and putting up and shutting up!

Men also are victims of rape and sexual assault.

Yes, Karma. I have posted figures from the ONS above.

@Rubyrecka

What's a TERF?

Well what kates definition is is anyones guess

But apparently trans excluding radical feminist

The fact that a male applied for a role in a rape crisis centre, which was advertising for a woman, shows how utterly unsuited they are. But then men do like being the centre of attention and getting their way, no matter how that makes women feel.

'We can discuss of implications of trans ideology on others any where we want to.'

Yes, including real life, unfortunately for those who wish they could censor what we think and what we say, freedom of expression is still allowed.

T*rf is a word that isn't usually allowed on MN, because it's a used as a slur against women, often in connection with violent threats.

@HannaHat

Interesting how mumsnet deletes comments discussing how blatantly transphobic posters are, but lets this shitshow of a thread stay up!

Aye, those pesky bloody women, not sitting down and putting up and shutting up!

Exactly!

[quote ArabellaScott]Just to give an idea of the balance between female and male victims of sexual offences.:

'Approximately 85,000 women and 12,000 men (aged 16 - 59) experience rape, attempted rape or sexual assault by penetration in England and Wales alone every year;'

rapecrisis.org.uk/get-informed/about-sexual-violence/statistics-sexual-violence/[/quote]
It was interesting, on this point, that the BBC reported a stranger rape on a middle aged male occurring this week.

It was remarkable, for the fact, that a male was the victim. This happens to women on a frequent basis and doesn't make the headlines.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tees-56950143

@BetterKateThanNever

Aw don't I feel special.

A woman is someone who identifies as a woman. A female is the same!

A trans woman is born a woman.

Those without penises can rape anyone- if you don't consent to sex before or during, then it is rape. A very plain concept that we surely can all understand.

May I just check BetterKateThanNever that when you say a "trans woman is born a woman" you mean that a trans woman is born male and transitions to being a trans woman? I ask because only those born male can be trans women and because I've noticed that many people seem to think a trans woman is born female and the trans part is them transitioning to become a man.

I've had many a discussion about Caitlin Jenner for example. Many people see I'm to think they were born female.

I'm hoping the fame of Elliot Page will help clear up what a trans woman is because Elliot Page is a trans man.

but I think a man could be a good CEO of a rape crisis centre, and a woman a poor one

Up to a point, Lord Copper ...

Rape can only be perpetrated by a man as rape specifically involves a penis (at least in English law). I think that women's services, run by women, for women, are terrifically important in this area. Particularly given the very low rate of conviction - to the extent that basically, men know they can rape with impunity.

A man is far less likely to understand that - indeed, hardly likely to understand that - there is nothing at stake for them.

And this particular person has lied about their sex, and talks about keeping work "fun" (in a rape crisis centre???)