To think that a Rape Crisis centre should not have a transwoman CEO?

[ArabellaScott]

Mridhul Wadhwa has just been appointed CEO of Edinburgh Rape Crisis. The job was advertised as for women only. Mridhul is a transwoman (born male) without a Gender Recognition Certificate.

AIBU to think that women survivors of rape and sexual violence should be able to have a female only space?

theedinburghreporter.co.uk/2021/05/new-boss-for-edinburgh-rape-crisis-centre/

And I find it really chilling that when we're discussing rape victims wanting a female counsellor, or female-only space, that terms like t*rf and other insults are flung about.

Why the anger?

I do not know about this case but if a job is advertised for a female as in a female pe teacher I feel that a female pe teacher should be employed just as if the job advertied for a male pe teacher a male should be employed.

@BetterKateThanNever

Aw don't I feel special.

A woman is someone who identifies as a woman. A female is the same!

A trans woman is born a woman.

Those without penises can rape anyone- if you don't consent to sex before or during, then it is rape. A very plain concept that we surely can all understand.

2nd line is circular argument.

Question: What is a?

Answer: a is a.

None the wiser. Can you elaborate?

I've had many a discussion about Caitlin Jenner for example. Many people see I'm to think they were born female.

Yes I've heard this argument this week in favour of transpeople competing in the sex category that they identify into. Even though Jenner says that this would be unfair on women and girls.

Oh yeah kate that’ll deffo work

Mnhq wont be able to work that one out 😒

A TERF is someone who thinks dressing up as a caricature of a woman and adopting stereotypical female behaviour doesn’t equate with being female....I think. They presumably have to be a feminist too?

Yep, lots of people think 'transwoman' is someone born female who has transitioned to become male.

For the avoidance of doubt, it's the other way round.

under the guise of supporting women.

So what would be the proper and acceptable way of supporting female people who require and can only be comfortable in, and in some cases only access, female only spaces? Because I care about those female people too, and would like to be able to stand up for them in society without being called unpleasant names.

@RufustheBadgeringReindeer

Oh yeah kate that’ll deffo work

Mnhq wont be able to work that one out 😒

Just thought it would soften the blow for you x

Just a reminder that in the 21st century there is millions of pounds being spent on trying to convince people that someone born male can declare themselves a woman and should be instantly entitled to access to any and all female spaces

Including it would seem being CEO of a rape crisis centre

what is a tradwife, please?

@ArabellaScott

And I find it really chilling that when we're discussing rape victims wanting a female counsellor, or female-only space, that terms like t*rf and other insults are flung about.

Why the anger?

Wanna know the worst thing? We are so used to being told that it's "our fault" or that we "enjoyed it really". Or that pushing for a conviction will ruin our abusers life. Or that we have to think about the feelings of basically anyone other than ourselves. That we have learnt not to speak about it. We minimise and joke about our experiences because we know that most people don't actually GAF about us. So we shut up. We don't talk it. We "be kind". Because that's what people want from women.

@BetterKateThanNever

We're discussing those seeking counselling with a female, who then decide they want another female because the first one isn't female enough to them. How mysogynistic is that? Terms like T3RF are only 'flung about' when needed. And in this situation where the army of tradwives are touting nonsense, terms much worse are likely to be flung!

lol, the misogyny of women not wanting males in roles reserved for women.

Reminds me of playing opposite day with my kids.

Tradwife 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Oh dear

And yes Arabella I think it’s important that there is clarity on that

Just thought it would soften the blow for you x

What blow?

Phyllis. And to all women affected by this.

Phyllis , I've been there too which is why this makes me particularly angry.

I’m interested in what a “tradwife” is too

How are you all misinterpreting every single thing I say? I am still writing in English, right?

Thank you @ArabellaScott and @lifeturnsonadime.
to all the other survivors.

It's disgusting that anyone can claim a rape victim (of any age) is transphobic for having a preference about who treats them. (Or a non rape victim for that matter)

@ArabellaScott

what is a tradwife, please?

So there's this great thing called Google. You can ask it what a tradwife is, what a woman is, etc. It might benefit you.

We're discussing those seeking counselling with a female, who then decide they want another female because the first one isn't female enough to them.

Hang on a minute.

A female seeking counselling.

Presumably the priority of the counsellor and the counselling service, is meeting the need and gaining the confidence of the female who is in a seriously vulnerable enough state to be coming to them - in this case, having been raped.

What trained, client centred service is going to want any client to put the needs of the counsellor first? Or to overcome their own personal beliefs (and possibly faiths and disabilities) in order to join the counsellor's political views in a way the counsellor would like? Or feel that a traumatised person coming to them to help should be dealing with any of this as opposed to being found the right member of staff who can reach and help them?

What about the female clients who will not access any help because they can't do all this? Are we now saying that not holding the right political beliefs in the right moment means you don't deserve equal care?

@BetterKateThanNever

How are you all misinterpreting every single thing I say? I am still writing in English, right?

of course, but your definition of woman & female is different from those in law and those in common usage.