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To think that a Rape Crisis centre should not have a transwoman CEO?

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ArabellaScott · 03/05/2021 16:18

Mridhul Wadhwa has just been appointed CEO of Edinburgh Rape Crisis. The job was advertised as for women only. Mridhul is a transwoman (born male) without a Gender Recognition Certificate.

AIBU to think that women survivors of rape and sexual violence should be able to have a female only space?

theedinburghreporter.co.uk/2021/05/new-boss-for-edinburgh-rape-crisis-centre/

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ChameleonKola · 03/05/2021 18:33

@TalkingtoLangClegintheDark

I’m of the belief that trans women are women

Why is that, ChameleonKola?

According to what definition of the word “woman” would that be true?

Not disputing your right to hold that belief, of course, just wondering how you arrived at it.

Based on your username I don’t feel this question is in good faith so I’m going to decline to explain myself, thanks.
HannaHat · 03/05/2021 18:33

This thread has lots of people saying that somebody shouldn't get a job because they are trans. This is why trans rights activism is needed.

Yeah, absolute proof that women are transphobic, how dare they not want a trans woman getting the job of CEO of a rape crisis centre 🙄

I think it’s an absolute joke (appointing them to the job, not the opinions on here).

Ereshkigalangcleg · 03/05/2021 18:34

Based on your username I don’t feel this question is in good faith so I’m going to decline to explain myself, thanks.

LangCleg? Sadly missed safeguarding expert?

HermioneWeasley · 03/05/2021 18:34

No, @Mysterian, it’s because the individual is male both biologically and legally and the post was only open to women.

If it’s a genuine occupational requirement to be a woman, why have they appointed an adult male? Why would an adult male even apply? Why is this individual so determined to make a career out of services to women who have experienced (male) sexual violence?

Letsgetreadytocrumble · 03/05/2021 18:34

This thread has lots of people saying that somebody shouldn't get a job because they are trans. This is why trans rights activism is needed.

No, people are saying that a male shouldn't get a job that was specifically stated to only be fir a female, as per the EA. But you continue to push your false narrative if it makes you feel better Hmm

RufustheBadgeringReindeer · 03/05/2021 18:35

@Helleofabore

This thread has lots of people saying that somebody shouldn't get a job because they are trans.

This post shows you have not read the thread and do not understand the EA2010.

This thread is about a male getting a job that was advertised for females. And if it was open to males, it should have said so to enable other males to apply.

I think you are clearly showing your own bias here.

Exactly
Leafstamp · 03/05/2021 18:36

@Helleofabore

This thread has lots of people saying that somebody shouldn't get a job because they are trans.

This post shows you have not read the thread and do not understand the EA2010.

This thread is about a male getting a job that was advertised for females. And if it was open to males, it should have said so to enable other males to apply.

I think you are clearly showing your own bias here.

Spot on.
TalkingtoLangClegintheDark · 03/05/2021 18:38

This thread has lots of people saying that somebody shouldn't get a job because they are trans.

Why are you making shit up, Mysterian?

The reason many of us think this person shouldn’t have got that job is because that person is male. Nothing whatsoever to do with being trans. Every other male person was also excluded from that job. Why not this one too?

Actually, I’ll answer my own question. You’re making shit up because you haven’t actually got an argument worth the screen it’s typed on. You know there is no justification for this; if there was, you would have presented it as a rational argument instead of making shit up.

SciFiScream · 03/05/2021 18:40

In fact I've been at several meetings where MW is present. MW always laughs or shakes MW's head at anything that is for women or for women's rights to single sex spaces.

MW only cares about MW.
MW displays very little empathy towards women when they have been the victims of male violence. I have SEEN and heard this first hand.

ConfusedAdultFemale · 03/05/2021 18:41

YANBU

MaxNormal · 03/05/2021 18:42

This thread has lots of people saying that somebody shouldn't get a job because they are trans

Wrong. No-one is saying because they are trans. The issue is that they are male.

ThreeB · 03/05/2021 18:43

@Mysterian

"There's no transphobia on Mumsnet" they say.

"What rights do trans people not already have?" they say.

This thread has lots of people saying that somebody shouldn't get a job because they are trans. This is why trans rights activism is needed.

No, they shouldn't get the job because they lied and applied for a job that they were legally excluded from. Anyone who lies to work in a rape crisis shelter is exactly the sort of person who should not be working there.
TalkingtoLangClegintheDark · 03/05/2021 18:45

Based on your username I don’t feel this question is in good faith so I’m going to decline to explain myself, thanks.

Clearly I’m on the opposite side of the fence to you on this but my question was/is still in good faith. I would genuinely like to know how you arrived at this conclusion and what you understand “woman” to mean.

Of course you’re not obliged to explain yourself to me or anyone else, but I would have thought if you had a good case for why you think as you do, you would welcome the chance to share it and enlighten others.

I honestly think words matter and without meanings they are useless. There can be no communication taking place, no analysis of life or the world we live in, if words don’t have commonly understood and agreed meanings. How is understanding that “not in good faith”?

TalkingtoLangClegintheDark · 03/05/2021 18:46

The above post was to ChameleonKola

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ArabellaScott · 03/05/2021 18:46

@SciFiScream

In fact I've been at several meetings where MW is present. MW always laughs or shakes MW's head at anything that is for women or for women's rights to single sex spaces.

MW only cares about MW.
MW displays very little empathy towards women when they have been the victims of male violence. I have SEEN and heard this first hand.

This only makes it worse.

I would like to hope that MW was given the role despite being disqualified on grounds of sex, because of MWs empathy, skills and dedication.

And at the very least, would show respect towards women when working supposedly to support women.

If you don't support, understand, or listen to women, why would you want to work in that role?

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Helleofabore · 03/05/2021 18:47

I also have to ask all those congratulating this person, why do you all seem to have to resort to ad hom attacks, lies and distortions of material reality to convey your support of this person attaining this job was done through honesty?

Why are YOU attacking women defending and discussing the rights of females if you think that you have every other woman’s support in the world except a small number of women discussing this on MN?

Letsgetreadytocrumble · 03/05/2021 18:49

MW is also on record as saying that in a previous job, people didn't even know they were male and that they kept that fact from the people they worked with.

Helleofabore · 03/05/2021 18:49

‘If attaining this job’

TalkingtoLangClegintheDark · 03/05/2021 18:52

@SciFiScream

In fact I've been at several meetings where MW is present. MW always laughs or shakes MW's head at anything that is for women or for women's rights to single sex spaces.

MW only cares about MW.
MW displays very little empathy towards women when they have been the victims of male violence. I have SEEN and heard this first hand.

This is so awful. Sad

Not only have all women survivors who want/need single sex services been excluded from the services of ERCC by this appointment, as well as all women survivors who recognise the material reality of sex and experience transgenderist ideology as inherently abusive towards women - but all women survivors have been made less safe by this.

And they are all vulnerable.

It’s heartbreaking.

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ArabellaScott · 03/05/2021 18:53

There's no reason to suggest Mridhul Wadhwa concealed anything when applying for this job.

Previous role, however, does seem to have omitted sharing information.

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MorganKitten · 03/05/2021 18:59

@PankhurstTastic

Yep, they are a transwoman not a woman. Not appropriate and likely to have an underlying agenda to remove female only spaces. Male clients have no place in women's shelters or crisis points- the vast majority of sexual violence is by males against females.
All the trans or gender neutral people I know have no underlying agenda to remove any spaces.
Redapplewreath · 03/05/2021 19:02

If you don't support, understand, or listen to women, why would you want to work in that role?

One obvious solution is that it was a powerful political position to be taken, from which progress could be made on the political aim of removing boundaries from crucial female only services.

That has to be considered, when looking at the fact that this is a person with strong, personal investment in single sex services being dismantled. They are hardly going to do themselves out of a job. Which necessarily means not listening to or supporting or serving those clients who do not fit their personal political beliefs.

Ethically...... not good, however you look at it.

RedcurrantPuff · 03/05/2021 19:02

YANBU

As for women.scot said they have used the law to preclude male applicants and have appointed one anyway.

WhatWouldPhyllisCraneDo · 03/05/2021 19:03

When I had my first lot of counselling 10 years ago I had a male counsellor. As soon as my CSA came up he asked if I felt comfortable continuing with him or if i wanted to be moved over to a female counsellor.

Have have we got to the point now where it seems I couldn't be guaranteed a female counsellor even if I specifically requested one. :(

Anyway. I will finish reading the thread now.

Helleofabore · 03/05/2021 19:07

All the trans or gender neutral people I know have no underlying agenda to remove any spaces

I suggest you look at this person’s history then. And their attitude to female’s wanting and expecting a female cared/counselor.

They don’t hide their attitude towards females who want female only assistance.

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