Just seen Billie Eilish report on news. What a load of bollocks...

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Honestly it must he a total head nip being young these days. 19 yr olds telling us not to body shame then appearing in vogue in a corset. But said 19 yr old being an expert in telling us how to feel, and of course that stupid trendy word 'empowerment ' used as much as possible. Maybe it was the same in my day, but then social media wasnt about to give eedgits a platform to be an expert on everything. Pop stars always got too much attention, but now with sm it must be increased tenfold.
Thank fuck I'm old and middle aged.

She knows she was respected and seen as a positive role model when she didn't show her body.

Imo , she's doing it to say 'you don't respect me now because I'm wearing less ? Look at yourself, what misogyny do you still have that's means you base my value on what I wear?'

@MayYouLiveInInterestingTimes

Billie Eilish is not just another teenager. She’s someone who has walked into the public eye as being about the music, being a musician. Now she appears to be selling out to the modern music industrial machine which has bigger all to do with music: frankly I’m no longer clear on exactly what the difference is between it and other forms of sex work. It doesn’t matter whether she looks ‘fantastic’ according to the current aesthetic: it matters what that aesthetic actually is, and what it means for women everywhere to be apparently represented by various forms of prostituted objects.

In what way? When I was a teen, Pink was the Billie Eilish of the day. She was the 'anti-Britney', rough, tough and all about the music. She also did Lady Marmalade, and a Pepsi commercial where she wasn't wearing anything much. Did that make her a sellout to sexualised music? 20 years later, is she now just another generic plastic female singer? I don't think so.

Young women should be able to show their bodies without being considered sexualised, it doesn't take away from their talent. Quite honestly, if I looked like a young Scarlett Johansson I'd not want to hide myself away during my prime either. Actually, I'd not hide away if I looked like Scarlett Johansson at any age....

@Physalis

It worked though, you couldn’t read my post and scroll on as I touched a nerve. Says a lot more about you than me, that’s for sure.

I’m delighted you’re jogging on, though.

I wonder if it's some sort of "fuck you" after that picture of her in a vest top was over the internet last year and people were commenting on her body.

Then perhaps she shouldn’t have chosen the typically sexualised clothing she did. Deliberately “showing” their bodies is being sexualised! Normal people just wear the clothing they want to wear and makes them feel good and that is not what a deliberately posed photo shoot is for. Perhaps, if there is some intelligence there, she may have wanted these kinds of discussions opened again and not shut down by the morons who think women are all about sex and clothing?

It's just the same old story of sticking a young woman in underwear on the front cover and acting like it's something fresh that pisses me off.

Yes exactly, people going nuts over it as if it's some kind of revolutionary act that's never been done before.

It was the same with that WAP song - people crowing over it been a new and fresh celebration of female sexuality when it was just the same old wank fodder that we have seen a million times before.

I don't much care what she looks like. I do quite like her music, when I've heard it.

@MayYouLiveInInterestingTimes

Then perhaps she shouldn’t have chosen the typically sexualised clothing she did. Deliberately “showing” their bodies is being sexualised! Normal people just wear the clothing they want to wear and makes them feel good and that is not what a deliberately posed photo shoot is for. Perhaps, if there is some intelligence there, she may have wanted these kinds of discussions opened again and not shut down by the morons who think women are all about sex and clothing?

There are women on these forums who can't stand up to their own husbands, yet you expect a 19 year old to stand up to the entire music industry?

There will be many factors involved, but I agree with Letsgetreadytocrumble that the execs are going to play a big role and deserve far more of the focus in any disappointment in this.

I think the OP's ire about losing integrity and not being original enough should be aimed at those execs and the systems of the music industry and media around them, rather than the teenagers for likely being influenced by that. BE is part of it, but I think if we're going to complain about what a load of bollocks yet another young woman is doing this, then we should be more annoyed at what keeps playing a big role in so many doing this.

I get it's disappointing especially when it seems to following the same pattern as other musicians, but the ire being poured on her for not sticking to guns/previous image, but going on about being old and middle age when the very people in the industry that encourage this non-original image (and the entire idea that corsets are a mid-20th century thing worn in that fantasy way) are likely within the same age bracket and the fans will likely have a wider range of reaction than the OP gives them credit.

Also, it's not the first time BE has done something like this.

hollywoodlife.com/2020/10/14/billie-eilish-body-shaming-video-response-tank-top-photos/

Earlier this year, she posted a video of herself in a bikini, and received a lot of negative comments for it. “It was trending,” she told Dazed magazine in April. “There were comments like, ‘I don’t like her anymore because as soon as she turns 18 she’s a whore.’ Like, dude. I can’t win. I cannot win.”

However, the teenager has never been afraid to stand up to the haters. In May, she released an online version of the short film that played during her 2019 tour, where she stood up to those judging her. In the powerful video, she stripped out of her baggy clothes, while her voice narrated a poem in the background. “You have opinions about my opinions, about my music, about my clothes, about my body,” she said. “Some people hate what I wear. Some people praise it. Some people use it to shame others. Some people use it to shame me. But I feel you watching, always, and nothing I do goes unseen. So while I feel your stares, your disapproval, or your sigh of relief, if I lived by them, I’d never be able to move.”

She is amazing. Hugely creative, very successful, despite being different in her music and her looks.

She can wear what she wants.

Are we going to get a sexy pic of ed sheeran next

@Lilymossflower

She knows she was respected and seen as a positive role model when she didn't show her body.

Imo , she's doing it to say 'you don't respect me now because I'm wearing less ? Look at yourself, what misogyny do you still have that's means you base my value on what I wear?'

Yes I really do get that , and fair enough, but I think that argument may be lost on the wider public. And why is being photographed in underwear so often the means through which this point is made? Albeit Vogue styled underwear. It's a trope as old as the hills. The opposite of creative and imaginative.

Sex sells indeed. Look at the latest pic on Instagram.

Who trailed you up?
What does this mean?

@BiBabbles I agree completely, there should be no ire towards BE for this but at the music industry and those within in it who actually hold the power.

She is very young and deserves support not criticism, and she certainly doesn't deserve to be manipulated and taken advantage of by misogynistic music execs.

Look at Britney and everything she has been through. All the questions she faced about her virginity ffs. I saw an article the other day about Oprah Winfrey asking Mary Kate Olsen her dress size (when MK had an eating disorder) during an interview. I saw a video on YouTube the other day of Eammon Holmes and Lorraine Kelly interviewing Kate Moss very early in her career and questioning her weight. No wonder she barely does interviews. The bullshit women are subjected to is disgraceful and it never seems to end, and I think lots of women on this thread just feel sad that posing in underwear under the false pretence of female empowerment continues to be the norm. I don't think anyone is criticising or hating on BE for commenting that wearing underwear for photo shoots continues to perpetuate this shitty misogyny. It's not BE's fault, especially as she is so young and inexperienced and I also completely respect and understand comments she has made in the past about feeling like whatever she chooses to wear, she can't win.

Are we going to get a sexy pic of ed sheeran next

It's funny how male artists never have the urge to 'experiments with different looks' to make themselves 'feel empowered' etc.

They step out onto the stage in the same flannel shirt, jeans and a guitar combo for years on end and no one gives a shit.

So she went against the entire industry by hiding her body under baggy clothes for years, becoming successful despite this.

Sooner or later she was going to have to get undressed to some extent, since the press will be snooping on her with telephoto lenses anyway.

Why not do it her own way and appear on the cover of Vogue in kitsch sleaze. Fuck yeah! Why not make global headlines with it, and hopefully a fortune, instead of just being caught on camera in a private moment with the journos sniggering about her tits and ass. It's a way of calling the shots that I hope actually is empowering to her.

I'd imagine from her perspective, it's one in the eye to everyone who has held her bound to her principles like purdah, and/or cast aspersions about what she's been hiding underneath all those big clothes (etc). I'm sure she can't win whatever she does.

I just feel very lucky that I didn't do all my growing-up in the public eye. She's done an amazing job of it.

Are we going to get a sexy pic of ed sheeran next

Thats an oxymoron.

@Letsgetreadytocrumble

It's just the same old story of sticking a young woman in underwear on the front cover and acting like it's something fresh that pisses me off.

Yes exactly, people going nuts over it as if it's some kind of revolutionary act that's never been done before.

It was the same with that WAP song - people crowing over it been a new and fresh celebration of female sexuality when it was just the same old wank fodder that we have seen a million times before.

God I hated WAP.👀

What an unoriginal cop out to do this shoot. The venerable fashion name of Vogue doesn't make what she’s doing more highbrow or artistic or fashion-led in some way. It’s hackneyed commercial male oriented tits and ass. Fine she has got us all talking about her but she’s already globally known and I do think a bit less of her now. I thought she was trying to be different and that was what I liked about her. She was taking misogynistic industry norms and sticking two fingers up.
But she’s selling corsets and ‘sexy’ see through plastic gear now, the opposite of female empowerment or being valued for your creativity. Just like a lot of other artists before her and around her. It’s a pity.

Are we going to get a sexy pic of ed sheeran next

Theoretically they are there.

As literally everyone famous he did some part naked pics. I think most talk centered around hos tattoos.

I don't even know how I know these things😔 I just look at neespages and they are just there😔

@Letsgetreadytocrumble

Look at Sam Smith - appears to turn things on their head in his 'How do you sleep' video, with sexy dancing and writhing around in a way that blokes never do in music videos. I remember thinking at the time it was quite refreshing. Then a mere couple of months later he comes out as 'non-binary' and is claiming that he is not fully male and that some parts of him are 'girl'.

Because clearly, sexy dancing and writhing around is only for women and not something that men do, and that was the 'girly' side of Sam Smith in that video.

Absolutely. I couldn't agree more.

Borderline, I'm sure his wife doesn't agree

Men certainly aren't required to undress to be famous.

Because clearly, sexy dancing and writhing around is only for women and not something that men do, and that was the 'girly' side of Sam Smith in that video.

May I introduce you to Boyzone, Take That and New Kids on the Block? The video Take That did for "Pray" was 99% them sexy dancing and writhing around. The "Do What You Like" video was them in cycling shorts and chainmail codpieces rubbing jelly and cream on themselves.