To think 'celebrating your curves' is becoming a worrying trend?

[Freesunglasses]

So many of my overweight 'friends' on facebook are joining in the whole "I'm embracing my curves and loving this body, every inch"
The thing is they are Obese, not use a little overyweight but really fat. The more people see and read things like this the more it will become normalised.

Worrying times ahead I think. We're going to be a very fat country in the not too distant future.
I know it's hard to lose weight. I know lockdown has made lots put weight, I'm a little overweight myself but I will never say I'm happy with it because I'm not! I like being thin, I want to be thin.

For the love of God stop normalising and celebrating obesity.

@NoFashion, I think the correlation is that parents who worry about childhood obesity are much less likely to have obese children who turn into obese adults.

Fuck me, you sound utterly awful! I wouldn't want to be yr friend!

I'm not sure that body positivity is having the impact you think it is OP.

After all, you don't go in for body positivity and yet you are fat. As fat as your friends who do. There is no difference.

Fashion and posting photos of yourself online are hobbies that anyone of any size can do. They don't make you fat or slim.

I’m tiny with a BMI that puts me underweight. I have a medical condition which means I struggle to maintain weight and always will (total gastrectomy to avoid cancer for anyone interested.)
If I posted in the same way about being thin I’d get mauled. People also think it’s fair game to comment on your weight if you’re slim in a way they’d never dream of doing to someone who was clearly overweight.

Type 2 people got there by not managing their health, it follows they then don’t care for their feet properly and end up with all the associated problems. I see it everyday.

@Hypie type 2 is NOT always reversible

What do you honestly expect when many GPs refuse to prescribe more than 2 test strips per day for type 2 diabetics?

You cannot manage diabetes efficiently without the correct tools.

It is gaslighting to pretend that you can, and to continue to blame patients for not trying hard enough.

It is gaslighting to ignore the very real disruption of the ghrelin/ leptin/ insulin flow, that leads to constant hunger that can't be satisfied - and to pretend it doesn't exist, and that people just lack willpower. That is bullshit I'm afraid.

I see you are one of the sadly all-too-common healthcare professionals who blame diabetics for their complications.

We shouldn’t be encouraging anyone to love an overweight body, we should be encouraging them to lose the weight and become healthy

So fat people are also stupid now? Like we don’t actually know that being a healthy weight is better for you?

We do. We know. Because it’s flung in our faces at every turn. Can’t eat what you want without the side eye, can’t post a picture in which you think nice without faux concerned posts, can’t do ANYTHING without judgement. Women in general can’t do anything without being judged, we know that - but you’re lying if you say fat women don’t get it comparatively worse - because now we’re not even allowed to be happy and accepting of our bodies out in public without people commenting that we shouldn’t be ‘celebrating’ it.

I’m fat because I’m lazy and I eat too much. Not everyone is. But sometimes, sometimes I think I look nice, and sometimes I do want to use social media to share a picture of myself. Making me feel shameful for having a less than desirable body shape doesn’t make me more likely to try harder at losing weight. It makes me more likely to sink into a depression.

@Hypie

Type 1 diabetes is completely different as you well know.

Type 1 patients have spent years managing their condition, often from childhood. Type 2 people got there by not managing their health, it follows they then don’t care for their feet properly and end up with all the associated problems. I see it everyday.

If they're so much better at managing their condition than people with Type 2 diabetes, why do those with Type 1 diabetes have a much higher mortality rate?

I expect you're more likely to see foot amputation in T2 diabetics because they do live longer, and there's a much higher prevalence of T2. But no, of course its the lazy, unrestrained fatties fault

Why are people jumping to the conclusion that the only alternative to promoting and encouraging obesity is overweight people hiding away in self loathing?

Because of regular bitchy posts and smug commentary, about fatter women.

That's extreme.

@GraduallyWatermelon, how did they get type 2 diabetes in the first place?

Not sure this so called celebrating or glorifying of being fat is working very well seeing as how much hate fat people get for just existing... This faux concern of obesity being celebrated if just another way of people putting others down but pretending it is coming from a good place.

I am fat and I am not sure I could convince a single normal weight person that being fat is great. Yes there is a obesity crisis but it is not caused by someone being ok in their skin and other people seeing that and deciding thats what I shall aim to look like.

@huuuuunnnndderrricks

I actually agree with you , I say Ashley Graham ( I think that's her name ) the other day on the daily mail app and she is an advocate of curvy women but she is huge .. definitely put on weight in recent times and if people look ok her as ok then we are in trouble . Obesity makes you ill , it costs the Nhs money ! I'm curvy and still overweight ( an hourglass size 10 ) with a thyroid problem so I know it's not easy but normalising it is a problem .

How much does your 'thyroid' issue cost the NHS?

@Hypie

Pancreas not working properly.

If they're so much better at managing their condition than people with Type 2 diabetes, why do those with Type 1 diabetes have a much higher mortality rate?

@GraduallyWatermelon it is harder to manage type 1 because all type 1s are on insulin. Some type 2s are on insulin and it will be much harder for them too.

Once you add insulin to the mix every day of your life is a little bit experimental in terms of how much you need.

You can eat the same meal at the same time two days in a row and your insulin requirements will be different - because maybe you took a stressful work call that spiked your blood sugar so you need more insulin...or because you had a headache, or because your period is due, or because you took a hot shower, or because you unloaded the dishwasher as well as vaccuming, etc etc etc...

Type 2 diabetics still produce some of their own insulin, as do some type 1s.

It is thought now that in addition to maintaining harmonious blood glucose levels - insulin has some sort of protective factor in it, that protects your vasculature.

So most type 1s have none of this protective element, and most of us die from cardiovascular disease. That's pretty much why our mortality rate is higher.

Sure, high sugars don't help any of this and most definitely make it worse - but you can have damn near perfect numbers and still get severe complications.

All diabetes is just really shit quite frankly.

@Freesunglasses

So many of my overweight 'friends' on facebook are joining in the whole "I'm embracing my curves and loving this body, every inch" The thing is they are Obese, not use a little overyweight but really fat. The more people see and read things like this the more it will become normalised.

Worrying times ahead I think. We're going to be a very fat country in the not too distant future.
I know it's hard to lose weight. I know lockdown has made lots put weight, I'm a little overweight myself but I will never say I'm happy with it because I'm not! I like being thin, I want to be thin.

For the love of God stop normalising and celebrating obesity.

Absolutely spot on. It is NOT normal to be obese. It puts your body under strain causes irreparable damage.

Being overweight is one thing (I am by about 2 stone, having lost a stone already), but being obese and going around saying how proud you are of your fat does nobody any good.

I completely agree OP. And I say that as someone who was obese until 1yr ago and is still overweight.

I let it go too far for too long because it was accepted.

Ashley Graham is not huge at all! Crikey... She’s maybe a size 14 at best and I think she looks lovely personally.

That aside, I get your point. I don’t have an issue with people slightly on the tubby side embracing it because they can and do often look amazing. Morbidly obese people though, not so much because I simply don’t think morbid obesity can ever be healthy. We’re talking people who are around 10 stone too heavy when we reach that bracket, a whole other adult on top of what they should weigh.

There are many factors in becoming more healthy. Being within a healthy weight range is one of them but having good mental health is another. It’s actually easier to lose weight when you feel good about yourself anyway.

@AbsentmindedWoman

Sorry, my post was a bit facetious. I understand the differences between T1 and T2. I wanted to point out that there are other factors in T2 than just obese people being lazy and unable to look after themselves.

What do you think is the motive for your concern? Concern for your friend's well being and health? Concern for a struggling health system? Concern for wider society, public health and future generations? Or are you looking for mumsnet to offer support of you in making a judgement of your friends because it makes you feel better about yourself and allows you to validate and justify your own feelings? Perhaps about how you are carrying a bit more weight than you deem acceptable ( I.e. they're obese and posting all over social media - I'm a little overweight and have the respect for myself to hide it from the world?) If this forum tells you it is acceptable to shame your freinds for being obese and celebrating it, then it allows you to feel better about your own weight gain and self-shaming. Do you aspire to living with and loving yourself, in the way these women do but are constraining yourself based in societal norms? There IS a valid debate of whether the action of publically celebrating your curves is an action of self- love or a request for validation and support and a cry out of 'someone tell me I'm not invisible and I can be loved'. As a friend - what do they need from you? Is this post more about how you are feeling than them? Also. You know how it feels to not love yourself. You know what it feels like to feel judged and insecure. You can support these women without condoning their lifestyle. Adapt your language and feelings to focus on them and not their body...and consider how you are feeling and talking about yourself.

Type 2 diabetics still produce some of their own insulin, as do some type 1s.

Sorry, this bit was unclear. Type 2s DO produce their own insulin - but they are really resistant.

Some type 1s make a tiny amount, and though it's negligible in terms of managing blood sugar - it helps you in the long run for reasons we're not quite sure of yet.

Morbidly obese people though, not so much because I simply don’t think morbid obesity can ever be healthy.

But what's that got to do with whether I like my body?

I wanted to point out that there are other factors in T2 than just obese people being lazy and unable to look after themselves.

@GraduallyWatermelon absolutely agree with you, it's shit how type 2s get slammed and dismissed as having no self control. Unfair.

@SonnyWinds

There's a difference between embracing who you are and endorsing being unhealthy - and I think that's the difference. Being ashamed of your weight and how you look and being unhealthy causes so many more issues than it fixes. When you're obese, and the world tells you that you look bad and that you're worthless because of your weight, all you hear is that you are not worth fighting for. You're not worth struggling through a workout for, you're not worth dieting for, you're not worth becoming healthy because you're worthless. By embracing your obesity, you're not saying it's a good thing - you're just saying it's not what defines you. You can be amazing AND be obese. You can be sexy AND be obese. You can be happy AND be obese. Obesity is not amazing or sexy or happy but obese people can be. It doesn't mean that obese people are healthy or that they're not trying to better themselves - it just means that they still have worth, and that they're acknowledging it.

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Brilliant post. And well done to OP for recognising it.

Sorry but I think that you have a problem with overweight people! It is obviously not something that effects you ...so why are you starting this post..please reply!

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