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"Maybe you should be grateful I let you live here for free"

293 replies

DefinitelyDone · 01/05/2021 00:34

A similar thread got me thinking about my situation with OH. After what he said to me the other day I was in no doubt that he was the one being unreasonable, and I think I’m ready to end things with him over it but some perspective would be good.

We were having a discussion/disagreement over getting our children a small pet, and then he said:

“Maybe you should be grateful that I let you live here for free”

This is long so TLDR: He said I ought to be grateful for living in his house for free. I’ve contributed £15k to ‘his house;’ despite that being most of my saving and me having a mostly low income. And have done 90% of the housework and childcare for 14 years. AIBU for thinking I shouldn’t be expected to pay him?

We aren't married but have been together for 14 years and have three children, 12, eight and three.
He bought our house a few years ago but we used to rent, the house is in his name only. I did contribute £10k towards an extension and have spent at least another 5K on things such as furniture and carpets Etc. I’ve also decorated 6 of the rooms alone if that counts for anything.

I have never paid him rent. We lived together for two years before having our first child and I never paid rent then either, though wasn’t working at the time. He’s never asked for money and I’ve always bought my own things/paid my own bills and never asked for money from him.

While being together my finances have ranged from having no income to receiving £40 CTC per month, up to receiving a higher amount of CTC when he went self employed, to me earning anywhere from £100 -£1000 per week over the past few years but this has now reduced back down again over the past few months and doesn’t look to be increasing again. I’m also very unlikely to be receiving CTC next year as his income has increased again.

My point is that my financial situation is changeable but other than the past few years I’ve had a pretty low income.

He always paid the rent before he bought the house, but there is no mortgage now, he pays for most of the food and household bills, but nothing that is just mine such as my phone bill Etc.

I pay for everything for the children and always have, even when I had hardly any money when our first was born, I bought all her clothes and baby things second hand.
I buy all of their clothes, their school uniforms, activities, pay for school trips and days out, every birthday and Christmas I have bought 90% of their gifts.
I do pretty much all of the housework and childcare. He is better with our three year old than he ever was with the other two and does tend to his evening (not middle of the night) awakenings which he never did with the others. Basically, he’s just being a father there, sort of, but this was pretty amazing when he started that as I was completely on my own with the very frequent evening and night awakenings with my first two.
He never, ever gets up early to help with the children. He never, ever lets me sleep in in the mornings. He rarely gets up for work before 10am and is usually home by 5pm, often earlier.
There was a period of about a month when our second was a baby and went through a period of wanting to sleep in when it was time to get up to get my first to nursery. After much nagging he started taking our first to nursery so I could sleep in a little and let the baby sleep in too but this didn’t last long and he hasn’t helped in the morning since. Eight years since.
He occasionally collects them from school but I do all the school related things- homework, spelling, reading Etc, I did all of the home learning, even during the first lock down when he had no work. I battled a very reluctant seven year old with a very demanding toddler while he hid in his ‘office’ playing games or whatever.
I have always done pretty much all of the housework, until our three year old was born I used to do his laundry too, now he sorts his own clothes out, I do pretty much all of the cooking, cleaning, tidying.

Things got very bad during lockdown and I pretty much stopped everything. He had no excuse of being
busy with work and witnessing how he watched me fall apart and didn’t step in to help really hit home how things were, so I did the minimal laundry and pretty much stopped cooking and cleaning. The rest of the day was home schooling. He started to occasionally wash towels and load/unload the dishwasher a few times. He’s even mopped the kitchen floor and cleaned a bathroom or two a couple of times. Amazing. I wish I wasn’t joking.

So bearing in mind all I do and have done, is it unreasonable of me to think that actually, I shouldn’t have to pay him a penny to live here? I shouldn’t be grateful for living here for free like it’s an amazing kindness from him, and that actually, he’s the unreasonable asshole here and should be grateful for everything I do. It’s really shown me how he feels towards me; I’m just a lodger that doesn’t contribute in any way.

I realise all this is grounds to LTB and after several similar threads and being told to, I think I’m finally ready to call it a day, but right now I want to focus on who’s being unreasonable here and if I’m deluded.

OP posts:
Tavannach · 01/05/2021 10:29

You have no reason to be grateful to him.

I think you have the right to apply for a “beneficial interest” in the property. If you left you would obviously be entitled to maintenance for the children.

You should get legal advice.
This fact sheet from Gingerbread lists organisations which offer advice.

ElphabaTWitch · 01/05/2021 10:35

Where are you op? You may fall under ‘common law spouse’, and be entitled to something when you split. Yes it sounds like he sees you as a lodger and cleaner and not much more. Such a massive mistake for anyone to let their partner sign for and be named on everything whilst leaving the other out. I pay household bills, dh pays mortgage. Both our names are on everything. Even down to the dog insurance which is for my dog. It’s such a huge red flag that you’re not named on the house especially. Doesn’t sound like much of a father or partner tbh. Teaching your kids that his ‘going out to work’ has value , worthy of ‘time off’ by sleeping in and game etc, but your age home work’ isn’t worth much, caring for the kids and household holds no value, and you don’t need ‘time off’ from ‘time off’. Just because you don’t leave the house every day doesn’t mean you aren’t working incredibly hard. I think if you’re still SAHM when kids are old enough to look after themselves and don’t require as intense care, then there’s not much excuse for not contributing financially to the household. But that’s my personal view. I’m sure many others will disagree.

AnUnoriginalUsername · 01/05/2021 10:39

It's an entirely different situation because you look after the kids. And he bought his house while you were together. You've enabled him at your expense. That wasn't the case in the other thread.

The obvious response is "maybe you should appreciate the free childcare and cleaning services I provide?"

category12 · 01/05/2021 10:45

Gosh, you're up shit creek without a paddle.

DishingOutDone · 01/05/2021 11:04

There's another thread like this on the go at the moment, the OP in question has been with her H for 25 years and is married, he's moved on to controlling all their money but its the same principal: you have children, its family money, its the family home. Posting in AIBU when you've already been told to LTB is pointless, yes we know he's an arsehole. And so do you. Get legal advice.

wewereliars · 01/05/2021 11:04

Solicitior here, in the UK the oft mentioned common law spouse does not exist. Why does this myth persist?

NameChange2PostThis · 01/05/2021 11:05

@DefinitelyDone YANBU

So you live rent free with the biological father of your DC and instead pay him with housekeeping, decorating, home maintenance, child care, and presumably sex.

His contribution to the household is his mortgage-free home (so zero cost) a bit of food shopping, and his sperm.
And now he thinks you should pay him rent as well.

Tell him to fuck off to the far side of fuck. Get some advice and get your ducks in a row.

Even if you have to move and pay rent, at least you won’t have to fuck the landlord.

Good luck.

Sputnikle · 01/05/2021 11:11

Get a property lawyer to look at whether you might have a 'constructive trust' - you may be entitled to a share of the house.

wewereliars · 01/05/2021 11:23

Sputnikle Successfully arguing that there is a constructive Trust to establish a beneficial interest in the property is extemely unlikely for reasons set out above.

TatianaBis · 01/05/2021 11:26

I can’t bear to read another one of these cases.

Women really need to be taught the marriage laws and financial implications at school.

wewereliars · 01/05/2021 11:29

Tatianabis they really really should.,

Singleworkingmum123 · 01/05/2021 11:31

I was in a similar situation where I was told for many years I was living rent free in his house even though we both contributed 50/50 to all the bills/mortgage. But my name was never put on the deeds. We were together 14 years, we had children together but we never married. He cheated, then threw me & his children out to move in his new woman & her children. We left without a penny. There was nothing I could do legally - and I tried. I am now financially screwed for the rest of my life :(

Sputnikle · 01/05/2021 11:33

wewereliars - OP contributed a part of the purchase costs, surely that counts for something? Did she do think of it as an investment or a gift?

Gothichouse40 · 01/05/2021 11:33

Iamthewombat- more women need to read your post.

FrangipaniDeLaSqueegeeMop · 01/05/2021 11:35

@Abc321xyz

You're absolutely screwed. Sorry
This.

I really really wish more women knew heir rights (or lack thereof) before getting themselves in a situation like the OP's.

woodhill · 01/05/2021 11:37

@Unreasonabubble

Why don't women just bloody well get married before they have children? I must have been so old fashioned. I "dated" my husband for 9 years before he proposed. I did tell him "no marriage, no children". It took us 2 years after Marriage to conceive.

Why do women just not know that they have no rights if they are not married? You would think in this day and age, they are more clued up than they are.

Where are women's brains?

I have to agree with this, it offers you legal protection. There is no way I would have had my dc without being married.

Modern society has made it so men can have it all in a sexual way without being committed in general terms not so much in OPs situation

2bazookas · 01/05/2021 11:37

Its a mystery to me how such men ever father more than one child.

Eastie77 · 01/05/2021 11:37

I don't understand why people say "he wouldn't have been able to work if you didn't provide free childcare" in these scenarios. If the OP wasn't around for some reason, her DP would probably have just paid for childcare and kept working. Few men give up their careers to look after children (unlike women who are routinely bewitched into believing that leaving a job to take care of kids during those "precious years you'll never get back" is a good idea).

OP, your 'D'P sounds like a dick though. Not sure what the solution is. Everyone advising you to try and marry him - he doesn't sound like great husband material to me or like someone who even wants to walk down the aisle so that's a bit academic.

wewereliars · 01/05/2021 11:43

Sputnikle the issue is proof of the parties' intentions at the time. Not many people have the foresight to document these decisions and the intent behind them. Even then it's an uphill struggle. And the burden of proof is on the OP here, her partner can argue that the money was in lieu of rent. Without solid evidence that argument would succeed. In property law the deeds are pretty much the final word.

winched · 01/05/2021 11:45

OP contributed a part of the purchase costs, surely that counts for something? Did she do think of it as an investment or a gift?

Where does it say this? Op contributed £10k towards an extension and the rest was spent on furniture etc which legally she could take with her if she left.

So she has a £10k interest in the house (morally / factually - legally I have no idea since it seems informal). But £10k over the course of 14 years, if he wanted to be a bastard he could probably argue it was rent / her contribution to bills etc.

The reason I always pretend op is a man is because I always try to think... okay if I was the working parent and this post was coming from my partner. Usually when it's this way around almost every response is on the side of the woman (the working partner) and cocklodger is mentioned a few times. Not saying AT ALL this is what the OP is, she's clearly a SAHP and has contributed in various ways over the years. But it changes the perspective and I think makes it slightly more impartial.

waitingforthenextseason · 01/05/2021 11:45

You have totally fucked yourself financially by not being married.

You need to get your figures sorted out and determine every single £ you have put into the deposit, house, children, etc and get legal advice.

SirVixofVixHall · 01/05/2021 11:46

@Tavannach

You have no reason to be grateful to him.

I think you have the right to apply for a “beneficial interest” in the property. If you left you would obviously be entitled to maintenance for the children.

You should get legal advice.
This fact sheet from Gingerbread lists organisations which offer advice.

This. Your situation is why women on here are always advised to get married before having children. It is usually women who get shafted by remaining unmarried and having no legal claim on the family home.
Gothichouse40 · 01/05/2021 11:48

What also gets me is men very often want children, very good at helping to make children. Then when children arrive, act like they are doing their partner/wife a favour by helping out with their own children. It's pathetic.

UserAtRandom · 01/05/2021 12:00

@2bazookas

Its a mystery to me how such men ever father more than one child.
Also a mystery why women want to have more than one child with such men.
Lemmeout · 01/05/2021 12:01

I would seriously be thinking of marrying him now. Give things once last go. To see if anything can be saved but to also ensure he didn’t mug me off with FA.