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Original poster

To wonder what it is about “no overnight stays till 17 May” that is so hard to understand?

821 replies

HaveringWavering · 29/04/2021 16:22

So many colleagues and acquaintances merrily talking today about plans to go and stay with relatives for the bank holiday. Nobody has any shame. We’re waiting till the 17th. Does nobody care any more?

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Mintjulia · 29/04/2021 17:38

I'm holding out for the 17th as well OP. Having got this far, I can wait a few more days.

I've seen most of my family & friends outside over the last couple of weeks, I have a restaurant table booked inside for the 20th, and (fully vaccinated) family coming to stay on the 24th.

Looking around the world, countries where people dropped their guard too soon aren't doing so well. So I'll wait Smile

LuaDipa · 29/04/2021 17:38

Visita in those circumstances are not prohibited. And believe me that no compassionate reasons for any of the bank holiday jaunts I have been told about

  1. How can you possibly know that? People who are struggling don’t tend to broadcast it to the world.
  1. It doesn’t affect you in any way. You can continue to follow the rules and you will remain safe. Why are you so concerned about the actions of others?
  1. Some of the rules are stupid. My kids can sit in a classroom with a child all day but not see them after school in their own home. I’m enforcing them because there have been a couple of cases at school but being honest, I am at a loss to explain it. Instead they are meeting friends outdoors to play sports/ride bikes etc. Until the 17th May of course, when all bets are off.Confused
TheOneWithTheBigNose · 29/04/2021 17:38

Just out of interest, if on the 17th May cases are at the same level as now (JVT indicated that this could be the lowest they go), will those of you saying you’re waiting until then still refuse to visit people indoors?

PegPeople · 29/04/2021 17:40

@TheOneWithTheBigNose

Just out of interest, if on the 17th May cases are at the same level as now (JVT indicated that this could be the lowest they go), will those of you saying you’re waiting until then still refuse to visit people indoors?
Yes they probably will because I genuinely believe for some people it's never been about following the rules because that's the safest thing to do its always been about only following them so they can smugly brag that they are morally superior and everyone else is a granny killer.
Wife2b · 29/04/2021 17:41

Oh do bore off.

BlaBlaSmthSmth · 29/04/2021 17:41

@Maddy456

I get sad that people dont seem to give a toss about other people and don’t follow the rules. You have to just focus on yourself though otherwise it will annoy you too much.
Maybe they do give a shit about other people...and that is why they are making their own risk assessments a couple of weeks before the rules are relaxed. Just read @SnargaluffPod shocking post above yours. The first line sent an awful shiver down my spine.
FatAnneTheDealer · 29/04/2021 17:42

@HaveringWavering

Bad laws ought to be broken.

We have legislative process to change laws with which we disagree. Fortunately “I thought it was a bad law” won’t win the day in Court.

I do not think for a moment that a jury of my peers would convict me.

It’s a bad law and those who feel comfortable to break it should do so.

sunflowertulip · 29/04/2021 17:42

It is really annoying me too, though my friends are almost all following the rules. I'd feel perfectly safe mixing indoors and staying over now but will wait until the law allows.

waterproofed · 29/04/2021 17:43

Ahahahahaha

Nope, no shame here and no fucks to give.

Original poster
HaveringWavering · 29/04/2021 17:45

I think you need to bone up on how criminal law works @FatAnneTheDealer. The judge directs the jury as to the law. They can’t just decide which laws to apply or ignore. They are there to weigh up the evidence.

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Twoobles · 29/04/2021 17:45

I couldn’t care less anymore.

I’ve had a year of near enough total isolation while on mat leave (lockdown baby), so I couldn’t care less. I’m over it. I did my bit, but now it’s time to get back to normal.

Let everyone have their fun.

EvilPea · 29/04/2021 17:46

You can do some overnight stays now e.g camping

dootsnoot · 29/04/2021 17:47

@Maddy456

I get sad that people dont seem to give a toss about other people and don’t follow the rules. You have to just focus on yourself though otherwise it will annoy you too much.
Most people do give a toss. Almost all of us have made sacrifices great and small for more than a whole year, many of us at huge personal cost.

I'm sick of this idea that those of us who are convinced (based on the current data and increasing scientific consensus) that the UK is doing well at the moment and that individuals should be able to live their lives pretty much how they choose whilst the data continues to look good somehow have NEVER given a toss about others. We simply aren't in the same position as were last summer. The risk seems to be much much lower. Again, if a third wave were to start to pick up, then I could understand having to take backwards steps, but that's not where we're at yet, and hopefully never will be again.

littlepieces · 29/04/2021 17:47

I'm still sticking to rules but couldn't care less about others anymore. The people I cared about protecting have all died from Covid.

The thing that annoys me is other people's total disrespect towards and shaming of those who want to be cautious. Be kind.

Mintjulia · 29/04/2021 17:47

Depends what JVT and the others advise. If they push the date for relaxing the rules out, the restaurants won't be allowed to serve inside anyway, so I won't have much choice on that one.

As for my visitors, they will probably choose to stay away if cases are rising because I won't be fully vaccinated by then. I'm a single working mum with no backup nearby. I cannot risk getting ill so I'll wait. Sad Let's hope it doesn't come to that.

shouldistop · 29/04/2021 17:47

Staying at home for a couple of weeks 🤣🤣🤣
Where I live in Scotland we've only recently been allowed to leave our council area for the first time since October and we've not been allowed anyone in the house since September.

Port1aCastis · 29/04/2021 17:47

Covid took someone very very close to me and I'm angry so I will just stick to the rules for now

JennyBond · 29/04/2021 17:47

@TheOneWithTheBigNose

Just out of interest, if on the 17th May cases are at the same level as now (JVT indicated that this could be the lowest they go), will those of you saying you’re waiting until then still refuse to visit people indoors?
No, because it’s about case numbers and the proportion that has been vaccinated. There is increasing evidence that just one dose cuts transmission quite substantially so I believe it’s worth holding on a bit longer so we stand a better chance of not having to reintroduced restrictions later.
Original poster
HaveringWavering · 29/04/2021 17:48

1. How can you possibly know that? People who are struggling don’t tend to broadcast it to the world.

Because people who are visiting for compassionate reasons don’t tend to talk at length about all the fun reasons why they are choosing to visit. Unless they are lying about those as a smokescreen? Kind of elaborate don’t you think?

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ChristmasAlone · 29/04/2021 17:48

I can meet that person and spend time with them, I just can't stay stay with them overnight......

TheOneWithTheBigNose · 29/04/2021 17:48

@Mintjulia

Depends what JVT and the others advise. If they push the date for relaxing the rules out, the restaurants won't be allowed to serve inside anyway, so I won't have much choice on that one.

As for my visitors, they will probably choose to stay away if cases are rising because I won't be fully vaccinated by then. I'm a single working mum with no backup nearby. I cannot risk getting ill so I'll wait. Sad Let's hope it doesn't come to that.

No I didn’t mean if they change the dates. I meant if cases are the same as now (which is likely) but they still open up as per the roadmap.
ZoBo123 · 29/04/2021 17:48

Has the evidence that we need to wait till 17th May been published anywhere? You know the "data not dates". I think it might have been filed in the same place as the data that transmission only occurs in pubs after 10pm and if 7 people meet up you are murderers but 6 is perfectly fine

Maggiesfarm · 29/04/2021 17:49

I couldn't give a monkey's.
What is so special about the 17th May anyway?

RichardMarxisinnocent · 29/04/2021 17:50

@apooagnuandyou

I actually much prefer someone honestly admitting ignoring the rules than someone banging on about a flipping "support bubble" to justify following their own rules!

Enough already with the fucking bubbles. They were a way to carry on as normal while pretending you followed the rules.

I have no axe to grind in the discussion about overnight stays - I personally am following the rules, but not going to judge those who choose not to. However, for many people support bubbles were and are absolutely not a way to justify following their own rules, or a way to carry on as normal.

Being able to have a support bubble was an absolute fucking lifesaver for me. I spent March 23rd to June 12th alone, every bloody government press conference pre the support bubble announcement had me in tears when there was no mention of being able to see other people. I was so fucking lonely, wasn't able to see my DP, hated wfh. My support bubble is one person, the only person I have spent time with as normal. For other loves ones it's been outdoor walks or picnics , and when permitted a couple of indoor visits but with social distancing. I am certainly not following my own rules or carrying on as normal.

apooagnuandyou · 29/04/2021 17:51

@shouldistop

Staying at home for a couple of weeks 🤣🤣🤣 Where I live in Scotland we've only recently been allowed to leave our council area for the first time since October and we've not been allowed anyone in the house since September.
I did say I was talking about England.

I am well aware that not all countries had a soft lockdown. That's what makes the local reactions and drama so embarrassing.

Even the royal family constantly travelled with their kids from their London home to their other property (singular or plural, I don't know) leading the way! I suppose that "stay home" can be translated as "stay in the United Kingdom and other common wealth realms"for them?

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