To wonder what it is about “no overnight stays till 17 May” that is so hard to understand?

[HaveringWavering]

So many colleagues and acquaintances merrily talking today about plans to go and stay with relatives for the bank holiday. Nobody has any shame. We’re waiting till the 17th. Does nobody care any more?

You only quoted part of what I said and it all connects to make it important to lift lockdown slowly, including giving time for the testing and development of vaccines for young people.

Sure. People who are seriously immuno-comprised have always been in a difficult position with regards to the risk of other people. Ultimately though, high compliance from the population was always going to be limited. I understand that’s very difficult for you, but it’s being realistic.

Well you stay indoors @HazeyJaneII. I’ve given up more than a year of my life to protect you and your child. I wouldn’t have had it any other way and participated without protest.

However, What about my life? My mental health and well being? Not a dot of consideration has been given to us that are perfectly healthy. My local hospital has zero covid cases in admission. They’ve closed the wards. My next nearest hospital has zero cases admitted at the moment and my sisters hospital 200 miles away guess what. Yep zero, Jack, nil.

I have no problem with those that want to stay at home, isolate, wear masks and have doses of whatever but give me the same respect and allow me to live my life too. If you think following the rules until June is going to make a blind bit of difference over it coming back next winter, you are sadly mistaken. We need to learn to get in with our lives or just what is the point.

There's no social distancing in the public transports in London and greater London. There's none possible. If nothing else, things are much worst because there are less tube/trains.
If you have experienced an empty carriage, you clearly don't commute as the same time as me!

The schools have reopened.

You would think that this would have had an effect on the rates by now wouldn't you?

People decisions are not just based on the "I am bored, I ignore everything from now because I am special". Most are sensible and make decisions based on facts.

Have not rtft but I am dismayed at the views of so many. I'm not the covid police, don't tell others what to do, but I do follow the rules and I feel like people should err on the side of caution. The longer we can maintain social distancing, the lower the r number will become.

[quote YorkiePanda]@ilovesooty I’m just pragmatic. Why waste time getting worked up about things other people do, other people who have nothing to do with you and yours. You can’t control the decisions others make. People will perceive risk differently. People have different levels of trust in government and healthcare professionals. People have different levels of tolerance to isolation. I think it’s worth breaking the rules for someone who is struggling with their mental health, for example. I think this way because of the job I do and because of my own life experience. I think the lockdowns have been inhumane. Others believe they’ve been a price worth paying. Reality is we won’t know for a long time down the road what the impact of all this really has been and then I suppose we’ll see.[/quote]
I'm not "worked up" about it. I'm well past that. I have found the standpoint of some people disappointing but I fully accept that I can't have any influence on what they do.

I am hoping people will stick to the road map for another few weeks until more people are protected by the vaccine. I don't think that's very dreadful.

@Hiphopopotamus

You do you OP - let other people make their choices. People are at the point of making their own risk assessments rather than wait to do exactly what the ‘one size fits some’ directive from the government. All power to them I say

Stupid argument. It's not about your "own risk assessment", it's about what's best for the country as a whole. Saying it's an individual risk assessment is selfish and misses the point.

I’m over it. I’ve been in houses this week and hugged a relative. I need to live now.

Get a grip!! Use your own judgement at this point. Unless you like living in a police state?

Im not going to stay with my son and daughter in law in their home this weekend as it will be so dangerous to mix with them, so im going to stay away, but within guidelines I will go and mix with 1000s of people this weekend in Sainsburys, B &Q, B & M, primark.......

You have 1000s of people in your local stores?
Almost as hyperbolic as muzzled with a dirty rag.

@EducatingArti

"Two weeks of limited interaction is neither here nor there compared to the risks under 18 mixing will pose in the UK fir months to come, much less the entire world for the next few years."

Not true! It gives time to fully assess what effect the lifting of restrictions on 12 April has had on cases, and the option to delay further lifting if it looks like there are issues.

Yep Pretty obvious really But everyone will still just do what the he'll they like having suddenly become masters of risk assessment Not at all understanding it seems that if a low risk gets factored with a high frequency then you get a rather different result

*hell

@ilovesooty I didn’t mean you personally were worked up, but the OP did seem to be. I was just explaining why my own stance is what it is on just live and let live at this point when it comes to Covid rules. I don’t watch much news, only have a vague idea of the roadmap from stuff on here and things I’ve heard at work. They had to pick some date I suppose, but I think a lot of people don’t trust they’ll stick to the dates. Many lies and broken promises throughout, so I get why many have just stopped adhering as a lot of people believe that if we wait for scientists and government to say it’s safe we’d be waiting months, even years more.

You and others might be right about what the ideal is, that everybody would do the same thing, but it’s just not the reality of human nature or the kind of society we live in as we aren’t a collectivist culture like China.

live and let live
Oh the irony.

I'm with you OP. All this bollocks about 'making your own risk assessment- can people not see how stupid that is? That means such different things to different people.

Yes we're all pissed off but apart from the crap way this has been handled by the government, I believe it's many people's childish "I don't like being told what to do" attitude that has contributed to us still being in this situation over a year on. If scientists and medical advisers - people who know a great deal more than me about viruses and pandemics- think these restrictions are the best way of slowing the spread then who am I to think I know better?

@helpfulperson

I think people confuse individual risk and societal risk. The risk to you as an individual is minimal and the risk of being ill even less. But we are currently at a tipping point where a few more cases could still cause a runaway increase in cases. Look at Turkey currently locking down for the first time or other European countries struggling never mind India Brazil etc. We are doing fine but need to be careful to keep it line that.

We are not at a tipping point stop making things up

@HaveringWavering and what else are we meant to do? No matter how much we rail against it, people gonna people. Is ranting about what others do or not actually going to save any lives or does it just make us stressed, anxious and resentful? The media have done a right job on us all, sowing blame and division and finger pointing. I just refuse to buy into it. It’s not helpful.

Read what PROFESSOR JVT says about meeting indoors now....

www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56929483

Incredibly safe where both parties have had the vaccine....

I couldn’t careless! I’m living my life.

Nice selective quoting there @GiveMeTulipsfromAmsterdam.

You omitted to mention that he went on to say:

"It is going to be frustrating at times for people, particularly those who've had their two doses, but we just need to make sure we don't have to go backwards again on any of this and just hold the line a teeny bit longer”.

My field of fucks is totally barren

If scientists and medical advisers - people who know a great deal more than me about viruses and pandemics- think these restrictions are the best way of slowing the spread then who am I to think I know better?

What about the immense societal, personal and economic costs of lockdown? Scientists and medical advisors are only looking at the situation from one angle. The costs of lockdown have never been comprehensively analysed and this is a major blind spot. It’ll come back to bite us all soon enough.

Does this crazy lack of critical thinking and blind following of authority remind anybody of The Milgram Experiment but on a national scale?

I can't wait to read the reports on social behaviour in 20 years time

@ThatchersCold

My field of fucks is totally barren

this x 10000