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Original poster

To wonder what it is about “no overnight stays till 17 May” that is so hard to understand?

821 replies

HaveringWavering · 29/04/2021 16:22

So many colleagues and acquaintances merrily talking today about plans to go and stay with relatives for the bank holiday. Nobody has any shame. We’re waiting till the 17th. Does nobody care any more?

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EducatingArti · 29/04/2021 20:17

We don't know yet whether the infection rate could go up as a result of the latest lifting of rules. It still needs a bit more time to be certain. Just because they don't appear to be going up now, doesn't mean that will still be the case in a week's time. It takes 3-4 weeks to see the effects of a change on Covid cases.

btwwhichonespink · 29/04/2021 20:18

@HaveringWavering

And this is partly why the open flaunting of ignoring the rules irks me so much. My comment about people having no shame. It becomes the norm to break the rules and it’s only a short step from there to a situation where those who are seen to deviate from that norm are taunted and called stupid.
It makes me happy to see people ignoring nonsense rules actually. Insurance against tyranny.
GiveMeTulipsfromAmsterdam · 29/04/2021 20:19

@joystir59

I've worked throughout the pandemic. I think those of us who've been out in the real world exposed to constant risk are less scared than those who've locked themselves away religiously.
This.
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HaveringWavering · 29/04/2021 20:19

@HaveringWavering

And this is partly why the open flaunting of ignoring the rules irks me so much. My comment about people having no shame. It becomes the norm to break the rules and it’s only a short step from there to a situation where those who are seen to deviate from that norm are taunted and called stupid.
That was in response to the comment by @ilovesooty that the approach towards people posting on here that they feel caution is still warranted has been at best dismissive and at worst hostile and abusive
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FindingMeno · 29/04/2021 20:21

@Mummytea24 it wasn't to do with people not being sensible it was stuff like eat out to help out and mandating school attendance even when there was going to clearly be a huge problem in schools. And then completely ignoring pleas to let badly affected schools close, whilst still banging on about a good knees up at Christmas.

Nohomemadecandles · 29/04/2021 20:23

What has happened to us that words like "flaunting" and "shame" are chucked around for doing normal things?
Some people have been waiting all their lives for an excuse to be superior and exercise their cat's bottom moue. Sigh

joystir59 · 29/04/2021 20:24

When cases are low and hospitals have plenty of capacity is when we get to live a bit of normal life. There isn't going to be an end to the virus for years- cases numbers are going to ebb and flow for years. So we have to enjoy normal life as and when we can.

EducatingArti · 29/04/2021 20:26

Except that lifting rules too quickly increases the chance of another lockdown. I honestly think vaccines are going to be the game changer but we risk losing this potential if rates increase too much and the chances of new variants increases.

YorkiePanda · 29/04/2021 20:27

The approach towards people posting on here that they feel caution is still warranted has been at best dismissive and at worst hostile and abusive.

There’s a world of difference between saying you feel more comfortable being cautious and saying others should feel ashamed for not being as cautious though...it just doesn’t help saying things like “do people have no shame”

Like...cool, you want to be cautious, you do you. Just keep your beak out of what the rest of us do.

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 29/04/2021 20:28

I think everyone needs to make their own choice now.

eastegg · 29/04/2021 20:34

I've been a rule-follower throughout, but I think it's really unrealistic to expect people to carry on following them to the letter now.

Don't forget OP what we were told by the government about 3 weeks ago; that if you've had Covid in the last 6 months, been vaccinated or even just had a negative lateral flow test you are safe to get into very close proximity with loads of other people at the FA cup final. You really expect people to carry on not seeing their loved ones, which many can't do unless they stay over, when they've been sent that very clear message?

StillRailing · 29/04/2021 20:35

Yes I'm going to be cautious around the General public.
My family of relative hermits less so.

Onedaysomedaynowadays · 29/04/2021 20:37

We've followed the rules (mostly) throughout but had our friends to stay last weekend. It was our first major rule break and it felt amazing!
Also back at my office, travelled abroad for work and been getting out and about as much as possible. Life is feeling brighter

Sinthie · 29/04/2021 20:37

This.

HazeyJaneII · 29/04/2021 20:38

Like...cool, you want to be cautious, you do you. Just keep your beak out of what the rest of us do

The trouble with you do you in a pandemic, is that what you do doesn't just affect you. So yes, I am cautious, and I keep my beak out, but if my child is at school with a child whose family have been having indoor gatherings etc, then it increases his risk, which is something we've spent a year trying to avoid.
We're heading to better times, I just don't want it fucked up!

Itsabeautifulday81 · 29/04/2021 20:39

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JennyBond · 29/04/2021 20:39

@YorkiePanda

The approach towards people posting on here that they feel caution is still warranted has been at best dismissive and at worst hostile and abusive.

There’s a world of difference between saying you feel more comfortable being cautious and saying others should feel ashamed for not being as cautious though...it just doesn’t help saying things like “do people have no shame”

Like...cool, you want to be cautious, you do you. Just keep your beak out of what the rest of us do.

But that cuts both ways really. Just crack on and do your own thing by all means, but why feel the need to bang on to colleagues about the fact you are meeting up with loads of people indoors and staying over?
Itsabeautifulday81 · 29/04/2021 20:39

And if their children are young I meant to say

ilovesooty · 29/04/2021 20:43

@YorkiePanda

The approach towards people posting on here that they feel caution is still warranted has been at best dismissive and at worst hostile and abusive.

There’s a world of difference between saying you feel more comfortable being cautious and saying others should feel ashamed for not being as cautious though...it just doesn’t help saying things like “do people have no shame”

Like...cool, you want to be cautious, you do you. Just keep your beak out of what the rest of us do.

People don't exist in vacuums though. The way people behave and the actions they take can have a knock on effect on other people. This is all so unknown to all of us I believe it's very difficult to state confidently that not abiding by the rules doesn't present risk.
TheKeatingFive · 29/04/2021 20:47

and the chances of new variants increases.

If it’s new variants you’re worried about, we won’t be free of that threat for years.

alpenguin · 29/04/2021 20:48

I like everyone on the planet am tired of all the restrictions and hoped vaccinations were going to allow me to return to normal life and let me see friends and relatives. I’m ECV and have had both vaccinations, you’d think that was good thing, except I have zero antibodies after my vaccinations. I’m part of a study into vaccine response for people with suppressed immune systems and if others like me haven’t reacted to the vaccine then we’re at the mercy of the common sense of the public. Hahahahahaha

Of course common sense and the great British public are two phrases not often used together add to that the I’m alright Jack attitude on this thread and well... you keep doing you.... the sooner humanity is wiped off the planet the better really.

thevassal · 29/04/2021 20:52

@HaveringWavering

I think you need to bone up on how criminal law works *@FatAnneTheDealer*. The judge directs the jury as to the law. They can’t just decide which laws to apply or ignore. They are there to weigh up the evidence.
I think you need to bone up on the law if you actually think your average fifty quid covid breach fine would ever end up being considered by a jury Grin

And, in answer to your previous question, no, breaking the law is not always shameful. A teacher comforting a gay pupil and telling them they will live a happy life when Clause 28 was in effect would not be shameful. Two men enjoying a consensual and loving sexual relationship in Scotland in 1979, or in Somalia today isn't/wasn't shameful . A woman having an abortion before it was legal after being raped wasn't shameful. Someone driving over the speed limit to get a seriously ill person to hospital would not be shameful, etc, etc.

TheKeatingFive · 29/04/2021 20:53

except I have zero antibodies after my vaccinations

That doesn’t mean you have no protection. T cells are a crucial part of this too.

we’re at the mercy of the common sense of the public.

Realistically how much do you expect people to continue to give up? Physical interaction with close friends and family? Their livelihoods? Their favourite pass times? You most know there is a limit.

ilovesooty · 29/04/2021 20:53

@alpenguin that must be so worrying for you. Some of this thread must have been hard to read.

TheKeatingFive · 29/04/2021 20:53

Must

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