To wonder what it is about “no overnight stays till 17 May” that is so hard to understand?

[HaveringWavering]

So many colleagues and acquaintances merrily talking today about plans to go and stay with relatives for the bank holiday. Nobody has any shame. We’re waiting till the 17th. Does nobody care any more?

@HaveringWavering the statistics for god's sake. The statistics!

@apooagnuandyou

Abraxan

Obviously I could be wrong. This might be a 'after death' life I'm currently living. But it looks very similar to the one I was living before I caught covid tbh.

I sincerely hope not, otherwise you have drawn the short straw and your after life is pretty grim if you are stuck here

I know. I'd have hoped for something better. At least out of restrictions surely!! Can you imagine the lockdown restriction easing and back again cycle forever in my own after life!?!?

Mind you, I do think some people do quite fancy it going on forever tbh.

@Frustratedbeyondbelief

Just goes to show how little people understand about a VIRUS... it's out there now and not going away...

Go out, enjoy yourself... and don't whine when you are dying from a nasty virus that can (and will) kill you.

OR... don't. But Live a restricted life.

Personally I don't want to die so stick to the rules. Others feel differently. Or are too stupid to understand....

Ah.... you do realise that other things can kill you!

Seriously you need to chill a little , just because some people don't stick to the rules it doesn't mean they will die or whine when they are dying - let's face it the vast majority of people won't die. PERSPECTIVE is a really useful word.

I've worked throughout the pandemic. I think those of us who've been out in the real world exposed to constant risk are less scared than those who've locked themselves away religiously.

It isn't bs unfortunately. Particularly when cases are low, it may take that long for a statistically significant rise to be noticed as it will start from such a low base. Conversely it takes a while to be able to see if a levelling off or actual rise of cases ( as we are seeing in Yorkshire and Humber at the moment) is just a blip or the start of something more serious.

Previous post was a reply to this btw

And those of us who've lost loved ones know only too well the price of with holding a precious hug here and there

My "reply" button isn't working!

I think sadly some people have really enjoyed the drama of the pandemic and the sense of purpose that 'following rules' has given them. It's scary how many people do just go along with any old rules without a single critical thought. I've said before, I always wondered how the likes of Lenin and Hitler came to power. I'm not wondering anymore.

@joystir59

I've worked throughout the pandemic. I think those of us who've been out in the real world exposed to constant risk are less scared than those who've locked themselves away religiously.

This 100%

It isn't about individual risks though. It is about the cumulative effect that thousands of people taking just a little extra risk makes.

@EducatingArti

It isn't about individual risks though. It is about the cumulative effect that thousands of people taking just a little extra risk makes.

That has to be balanced against the many other things in life though, including the loss of billions and jobs in the hospitality sector.

@EducatingArti

It isn't about individual risks though. It is about the cumulative effect that thousands of people taking just a little extra risk makes.

I do agree with this. ^^ I also think people have had just about enough of covid restrictions.

Don't care, understand perfectly well, feel no shame.

Listened to the bits I could hear through fucking masks and perspex screens to the pre-vacc pep talk absolutely well - still not twanging those shame nodes anymore.

Covid taught me, the previously little rule-following mouse desperately concerned about doing the right thing and what people thought of me - that there are vipers on here who will jump on ANYTHING to shame you, and when you have your child collapsing mentally around you - will wash their hands and claim they need to learn more resilience... so now - fuck it, I look after me and mine - MN taught me that one.

and this is the problem, people don't care, the infection rate goes up, we end up in lockdown again as no space hospital if people get I'll and yet more people lose their jobs!

That has to be balanced against the many other things in life though, including the loss of billions and jobs in the hospitality sector.

Shit, someone tell the Chancellor!

Indeed, I agree. But we need to take it step by step to see what effect each change in lockdown rules is having otherwise we get exponential growth, new variants, risk of vaccine escape and after a few months back into lockdown we go.
I would far prefer to hold back on things for just a few more weeks to make sure we know what effect each change is happening than risk going into lockdown again.

How many lockdowns do we need, how much more school so our children need to miss, how many more people die before people start listening!!

@Mummytea24

and this is the problem, people don't care, the infection rate goes up, we end up in lockdown again as no space hospital if people get I'll and yet more people lose their jobs!

but the infection rate is not going up! That's the point.

@littlepieces

I'm still sticking to rules but couldn't care less about others anymore. The people I cared about protecting have all died from Covid.

The thing that annoys me is other people's total disrespect towards and shaming of those who want to be cautious. Be kind.

I agree with the last paragraph. The approach towards people posting on here that they feel caution is still warranted has been at best dismissive and at worst hostile and abusive.

I had Covid, along with my household. Almost all of the members of my extended family have been vaccinated, most of them twice. I really don't think there's much point in us staying away from each other now.

The next (potential) wave won't care when we allowed people to sleep overnight in hotels. It will be unrelated to it. Restrictions have had very little effect on the course of the pandemic, except perhaps to prolong it longer than necessary by keeping a low level of cases circulating with ineffective quarantines. Look at previous pandemics, which ebbed and flowed over the course of 2-3 years. The Russian Flu, for example. It happened in waves, not a continuous stream of death because people went to the pub.

If people were sensible when things eased the first time round, stick to the rules at Christmas then just maybe the hospitality industry may well have been able to open sooner

And this is partly why the open flaunting of ignoring the rules irks me so much. My comment about people having no shame. It becomes the norm to break the rules and it’s only a short step from there to a situation where those who are seen to deviate from that norm are taunted and called stupid.

@btwwhichonespink

I think sadly some people have really enjoyed the drama of the pandemic and the sense of purpose that 'following rules' has given them. It's scary how many people do just go along with any old rules without a single critical thought. I've said before, I always wondered how the likes of Lenin and Hitler came to power. I'm not wondering anymore.

Indeed posters like the OP would blindly follow anything if the government told her to. Cannot see that whether someone visits and stays over in another home on the 1st or the 17th actually matters - the virus doesn't know the date so neither are particularly different - they just had to set 'a' date.

The drama and virtue of being good rule following people whereas the rest of us shameful people.... personally I don't give a flying fuck what people like the OP think - most of us laugh at the hysteria now