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To wonder what it is about “no overnight stays till 17 May” that is so hard to understand?

821 replies

HaveringWavering · 29/04/2021 16:22

So many colleagues and acquaintances merrily talking today about plans to go and stay with relatives for the bank holiday. Nobody has any shame. We’re waiting till the 17th. Does nobody care any more?

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Beeeeeeeeeeeeeep · 29/04/2021 19:34

Nope I don't care
Went and stayed with relatives who are vaccinated as am I. Nobody got the rona. I'm not living my life according to government rules any more.

GiveMeTulipsfromAmsterdam · 29/04/2021 19:34

We have a neighbour that has let his under house apartment (3 beds) right through the entire period of covid. His AIRbnb feedback shows feedback for the guests - I guess he forgot to tell them they shouldn't be staying every month from March 2020 even when limited travel at the start and during this latest one too.

Should I care? Maybe but I tend to just get on with my life and leave others to do there thing. If the visitors brought covid and killed someone then yes a different matter.

HaveringWavering · 29/04/2021 19:35

The government want to 'follow the science'. Well that's what (two thirds!) of the public have decided to do.

Why do two thirds of the public think that they understand the science better than the government’s scientific advisers?

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Beeeeeeeeeeeeeep · 29/04/2021 19:35

@HaveringWavering

They’d all be the first to complain if their employers asked them to come back to the office a millisecond before the government relaxes “work from home if possible”.
Been working in the office and in peoples homes since April last year so nah
GiveMeTulipsfromAmsterdam · 29/04/2021 19:35

@HaveringWavering do you think the 16 days will mean it is suddenly safer than it is 16 days before eg staying over on the 1st and opposed to the 17th? What REAL difference will it make @HaveringWavering ... are the covid rates going to ramp up in those days?

Mojoj · 29/04/2021 19:36

No fucks given. And maybe you should mind your own business about what everyone else is doing

btwwhichonespink · 29/04/2021 19:36

@HaveringWavering

The government want to 'follow the science'. Well that's what (two thirds!) of the public have decided to do.

Why do two thirds of the public think that they understand the science better than the government’s scientific advisers?

They don't understand it better. But the government/advisors are NOT currently following the science with these ongoing rules.
HaveringWavering · 29/04/2021 19:36

Been working in the office and in peoples homes since April last year so nah

I’ve now clarified about 6 times already @Beeeeeeeeeeeeeep- I was talking about my colleagues, not rule-breakers in general.

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Dowser19 · 29/04/2021 19:37

[quote FatAnneTheDealer]@HaveringWavering “For goodness sake, I am not expecting actual prosecutions in relation to overnight stays. I am talking about challenging your nonsense about “oh well I would not be convicted by a jury of my peers” as if that magically makes the law disappear.”

I didn’t say you were expecting prosecutions, because no one could be so silly. Nor did I say that the “law would magically disappear”

I said that a jury of my peers would not convict me. You replied that prosecutions did not work that way.

I am telling you that there is clear precedent for juries refusing to convict under bad laws, which this is, despite a judge’s direction. If you tell me that I do not understand how the criminal law works, then you cannot be surprised if I reply, since I do, in fact, understand how it works.

Even the government’s deputy chief medical officer says that it is “incredibly safe” for fully vaccinated people to meet freely (including indoors) and yet the law says we cannot. Is that a reasonable law?

Vaccinated people in care homes who are taken out for a walk by a vaccinated relative or care worker then have to completely isolate in their room for 14 days, while someone completely unvaccinated flying in from India only has to isolate for 10 days. Is that reasonable? (I appreciate that that is only guidance, but it might as well be law because if a care home goes against guidance it invalidates their insurance.). Is that reasonable guidance?

These laws are bad. The guidance is bad. If they were better, and more rational, there would be less law breaking.

Bad laws get broken. They are either unenforceable (because they are bad - and if prosecuted unconvictable, because a rational jury won’t).

Your colleagues are reasonable. You are reasonable to make your own risk assessments (irrational though they may be) but not to judge them.[/quote]
Well said
So much of this doesn’t make sense
Like us coming to caravan for a day trip last June . Saw no one, sat in our van, did a few jobs, then like good little girls and boys got in the car and trotted the hour back home.

I mean just why ?

Beeeeeeeeeeeeeep · 29/04/2021 19:38

@HaveringWavering

In a lot of cases all individuals will be vaccinated and little risk, I can understand people now making their own judgements and decisions.

Someone didn’t listen to their pre-vaccination briefing.

Smug smuggy mcsmugson Shush your mouth
teenagetantrums · 29/04/2021 19:38

Everyone l know is just done now. For the most part we all vaccinated. We just carrying on in a normal life.we worked all through pandemic. No one got covid last year so l think now we all vacinated we can just get on with life

HaveringWavering · 29/04/2021 19:39

They don't understand it better. But the government/advisors are NOT currently following the science with these ongoing rules.

On what basis do you say this @btwwhichonespink?

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TheKeatingFive · 29/04/2021 19:39

and don't whine when you are dying from a nasty virus that can (and will) kill you

I think most people understand their personal risk pretty well by now.

Jamboree01 · 29/04/2021 19:40

Yep. Completely

Dowser19 · 29/04/2021 19:40

@GiveMeTulipsfromAmsterdam

We have a neighbour that has let his under house apartment (3 beds) right through the entire period of covid. His AIRbnb feedback shows feedback for the guests - I guess he forgot to tell them they shouldn't be staying every month from March 2020 even when limited travel at the start and during this latest one too.

Should I care? Maybe but I tend to just get on with my life and leave others to do there thing. If the visitors brought covid and killed someone then yes a different matter.

Good that you let him get on with it. My ndn house is like a revolving door. Ami bothered? Nah! What she does between her 4 walls is her business and it’s the same for me.
Moondust001 · 29/04/2021 19:40

@HaveringWavering

They’d all be the first to complain if their employers asked them to come back to the office a millisecond before the government relaxes “work from home if possible”.
Really? You know them all. I'm off to stay with my best friend tomorrow. Did the same at Easter. And Christmas. We've seen next to nobody apart from each other for a year. Shame? Not a bit. And have broken NO laws. Get a grip, and mind your own business. You do what is right for you. Leave others to decide what that is for them.
HaveringWavering · 29/04/2021 19:40

[quote GiveMeTulipsfromAmsterdam]@HaveringWavering do you think the 16 days will mean it is suddenly safer than it is 16 days before eg staying over on the 1st and opposed to the 17th? What REAL difference will it make @HaveringWavering ... are the covid rates going to ramp up in those days?[/quote]
I have no fucking idea because I am not a scientist. But the Govt is not doing this for shits and giggles.

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HaveringWavering · 29/04/2021 19:41

Really? You know them all.

Yes! We work together and have discussed return to work @Moondust001.

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Beeeeeeeeeeeeeep · 29/04/2021 19:42

and don't whine when you are dying from a nasty virus that can (and will) kill you

No it won't though
I already had it and I'm still here
I'm now vaccinated so if I get it again I probably won't even notice

PegPeople · 29/04/2021 19:43

I have no fucking idea because I am not a scientist. But the Govt is not doing this for shits and giggles.

No they are doing it because they set some arbitrary date of May 17th. If they were actually listening to the scientists rather than sticking to this arbitrary date we would be able to meet indoors by now.

Dowser19 · 29/04/2021 19:43

This has been a really refreshing thread.
Thank you all for your common sense.
It’s just lovely seeing everyone out and about, enjoying the spring sunshine and the children having fun

HaveringWavering · 29/04/2021 19:43

@PegPeople

I have no fucking idea because I am not a scientist. But the Govt is not doing this for shits and giggles.

No they are doing it because they set some arbitrary date of May 17th. If they were actually listening to the scientists rather than sticking to this arbitrary date we would be able to meet indoors by now.

On what grounds do you believe it is arbitrary?
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ilovesooty · 29/04/2021 19:44

@baubled

Can't say I know anyone following the rules anymore
I hardly know anyone who isn't. In fact the few I'm aware of are the odd people friends of mine know.
YorkiePanda · 29/04/2021 19:44

Yawn. If you want to follow all the rules to the letter, go for it. But why get worked up about things other people do that you can’t control at all? You don’t know other people’s situations. Live your life and if you’re content with your decisions and they fit with your own values, just let other people get on with it. They will anyway, whether you shame them or not!

PegPeople · 29/04/2021 19:46

On what grounds do you believe it is arbitrary?

Because it happened to be the day that fell a set period of time after the last review date. That's literally the only reason may 17th was chosen. If they had chosen to wait 6 weeks or 3 weeks or any other given number of weeks between reviews the date would be different.