To not be able to believe what I'm reading

[Butwasitherdriveway]

Had a leaflet through my door......

I'm lost for words.

@me4real

They don't agree with body parts and sexual intercourse being taught, it's too "vulgar".

I suggest you are spinning what they say again and they didn't say that.

Abortion on demand is when a woman can ask for abortion and get it simply by requesting it. We don't technically have that in the UK but we probably effectively do (I'm pro-choice BTW.)

People who don't believe in abortion on demand think that abortion should be on the grounds of genuine medical need, or if a woman's been raped etc, specific reasons.

They did say that, on their facebook page, where I asked them specifically what they mean by too vulgar and they explained it to me.

Why are you defending this?

BTW, having had abortion on demand explained to me, I'm even more sure that being anti-this is an absolutely ridiculous view point,

FWIW, you can have an abortion in the UK for any reason, as thankfully we don't live in a dictatorship where people believe they can police women's bodies. All they have to do is cite that it would be against their best interests to have the child.

Totally agree with Bvop and Poppycat10- this ridiculous culture of shutting people down who are not far-left has to stop. It doesn’t make the opinions of others just miraculously just disappear. They are clearly stating their beliefs (not ones I share) in the correct way- nothing wrong with that at all. Throw it in the bin and vote for who you like.

To be fair, people on this thread haven’t said they shouldn’t be allowed to stand for election or anything. I also don’t think this thread shuts down discussion - plenty of people are now discussing it. Yes, the vast majority are in agreement with each other, but if posters appeared robustly defending the points, there’d be a debate (of course there’d be insulting comments as well but there are on all sorts of threads).
People are perfectly entitled to say what they think of the people standing for election, without being accused of shutting down debate.

Wow that’s so shocking I also thought it was a wind up. Those paragraphs on removing women’s rights. Bloody hell

Sounds like some weird religious cult to me.

I’m not sure I agree it’s dangerous because it’s so ludicrous they will have very few people vote for them and they can then sit and shout their shit about male superiority into their echo chamber

I'm certainly not shutting anyone down.

I obviously think it's a pile of mince, but I've posted a thread about it , and I am entertaining discussion on it, which is quite the opposite.

@Bluntness100

Wow that’s so shocking I also thought it was a wind up. Those paragraphs on removing women’s rights. Bloody hell

Sounds like some weird religious cult to me.

I’m not sure I agree it’s dangerous because it’s so ludicrous they will have very few people vote for them and they can then sit and shout their shit about male superiority into their echo chamber

I wouldn't be too sure.

They've certainly pulled out the words of the moment to get the idiots on board.

"good behaviour" gives me the heebie jeebies.

I can just picture wha tthey mean by that.

@Butwasitherdriveway I didn't watch all of the vid on their FB, but they're saying things like 'why do primary school children need to be taught about how to have sex?' I.e. they have a different idea about what children should be taught at different ages, for instance.

“With a full-time patent”

Does that mean a parent working full time?

Or a child with a parent with a parent?

If the latter, apart from children in foster care, then all children have a full-time parent?

Can’t have’ ‘vulgar sex education’, so therefore you can have ‘non-vulgar sex education’!

The free speech section is an oxymoron!

I bet the teachers on here are loving the ‘good behaviour’ that will descend on Scotland if they are in power.

‘We value families’. That’s good, because everyone is in a family, as we all have parents, so therefore are part of a family.

@Ostryga where does any of those points on the leaflet say that?

I don’t agree with abortion except in extreme circumstances no.
I think that marriage is important and has worth before you have children
I think that one parent should be at home with their child especially in the baby and pre school years.
I don’t think my 8 year old needs to know about sexual intercourse right now but he is going to be taught it next week in school. I could opt out but that would make him noticed, embarrassed and excluded in front of the whole class.

They are a bunch of nutters.

You agree with
No abortion
I am against abortion except for when the pregnancy would be life threatening for the mum.
Married people to be favoured
I don’t believe that married people are ‘better’ than anyone else no.
"Families" prioritised - ie if you dont have a partner you're worth nothing
I think that much more emphasis should be placed on the importance of stable families, I do think some people give up too easily with regards to marriage and I do think that children are often more negatively affected by divorce than people think but I certainly don’t consider single parent families to be ‘worth nothing’ no, that’s a very odd assumption to make.

[quote me4real]**@Butwasitherdriveway* I didn't watch all of the vid on their FB, but they're saying things like 'why do primary school children* need to be taught about how to have sex?' I.e. they have a different idea about what children should be taught at different ages, for instance.[/quote]
Because primary school children are having sex.

That's the reality.

One of the posts claims that children under 18 shouldn't be exposed to these things.

They're all on bloody tiktok at 12. They're seeing it.

It's the age old argument. Anyone who genuinely believes that children in Catholic schools are not having sex until the day of their wedding and therefore couldn't possibly get themselves into trouble (where they then can't have an abortion because they'd be shamed) needs their head read.

What is more damaging? To teach them about their bodies and each other or to let them do as they like and then pick up the pieces?

So are midges, but nobody would be daft enough for vote for more of those fuckers.

Pmsl! 🤣

They sound a bit bonkers!

From their website

Domestic abuse law should not cover vaguely defined “psychological abuse”

How can anyone support this?

@Butwasitherdriveway It irritates me when people misrepresent people's arguments, that's all.

FWIW, you can have an abortion in the UK for any reason, as thankfully we don't live in a dictatorship where people believe they can police women's bodies. All they have to do is cite that it would be against their best interests to have the child.

No. It has to have the agreement of two doctors amongst other things www.bpas.org/get-involved/campaigns/briefings/abortion-law/

[quote OnTheBrink1]@Ostryga where does any of those points on the leaflet say that?

I don’t agree with abortion except in extreme circumstances no.
I think that marriage is important and has worth before you have children
I think that one parent should be at home with their child especially in the baby and pre school years.
I don’t think my 8 year old needs to know about sexual intercourse right now but he is going to be taught it next week in school. I could opt out but that would make him noticed, embarrassed and excluded in front of the whole class.[/quote]
By knowing about sex not only is he less likely to become a victim of CSA, he is more likely to speak to a trusted adult if he does become a victim of CSA.

Boris has quite a few families.

@DiddlyWiddly

You agree with No abortion I am against abortion except for when the pregnancy would be life threatening for the mum. Married people to be favoured I don’t believe that married people are ‘better’ than anyone else no. "Families" prioritised - ie if you dont have a partner you're worth nothing I think that much more emphasis should be placed on the importance of stable families, I do think some people give up too easily with regards to marriage and I do think that children are often more negatively affected by divorce than people think but I certainly don’t consider single parent families to be ‘worth nothing’ no, that’s a very odd assumption to make.

Oh come on.

Generations ago, people stayed and people "give up more easily" - IE, they stayed with partners they knew were gay, they stayed with partners they didn't love, they stayed wiht partners that battered them.

I'm not cheerleading divorce but I absolutely do feel that children who live in households with unhappy marriages are far more traumatised than those who make a decision and leave. We should not be teaching our children they have to stay.

If you don't believe married people are better or that single people are nothing, wny would you support a party who wants to pay people who are married and stay at home?

We will never agree on your abortion stance. I find the fact that anyone finds it apt to dictate to someone when they can and can't make a decision on whether they want to have a family appalling.

The care statistics are absolutely horrendous. Women are raped, both at random and by abusive partners, they don't have the mental capacity to make better choices, they are addicts, etc etc etc. There are hundreds of reasons a woman should not be having a child and none of those are any better or worse than being "life threatening".

[quote me4real]@Butwasitherdriveway It irritates me when people misrepresent people's arguments, that's all.

FWIW, you can have an abortion in the UK for any reason, as thankfully we don't live in a dictatorship where people believe they can police women's bodies. All they have to do is cite that it would be against their best interests to have the child.

No. It has to have the agreement of two doctors amongst other things www.bpas.org/get-involved/campaigns/briefings/abortion-law/[/quote]
If you can find me evidence to suggest that any doctors have ever denied an abortion in the UK and forced a woman to have a child she doesn't want, I'd love to see it.

I agree that this is dangerous, and it needs to be opposed. I am particularly concerned about any threats to women’s reproductive rights and I am not prepared to take an ‘each to their own’ approach to the topic. Women need access to safe abortion and I will not stand by and simper about individual opinions in the face of attempts to restrict legal termination of pregnancy. Fortunately this particular group is unlikely to pose an imminent threat but that doesn’t make their manifesto any more acceptable.

I am against abortion except for when the pregnancy would be life threatening for the mum.

So a rape victim should be forced to carry her rapist’s child to term? Or somebody who’s told her child will be severely disabled should have their choices removed? Sounding like the frankly backwards legislation in an American state where abortion is illegal. All this does is force it underground, endangering women or making them travel to seek the termination. Utterly outrageous.

@Pviolet

From their website

Domestic abuse law should not cover vaguely defined “psychological abuse”

How can anyone support this?

Oh wow.

Missed that belter.

So now psychological abuse and hate speech are A-OK.

Marvellous.

I don't want to derail too much, but I find the abortion topic ironic.

These people who care so much about life that they want to force someone to have a child into a situation where the child is not going to have a good life, or fling them in the care system.

[quote OnTheBrink1]@Ostryga where does any of those points on the leaflet say that?

I don’t agree with abortion except in extreme circumstances no.
I think that marriage is important and has worth before you have children
I think that one parent should be at home with their child especially in the baby and pre school years.
I don’t think my 8 year old needs to know about sexual intercourse right now but he is going to be taught it next week in school. I could opt out but that would make him noticed, embarrassed and excluded in front of the whole class.[/quote]
Here's the thing though -

Not every family has two parents, for many reasons.

I wouldn't opt him out.

why would you?

Whether we like it or not, children need to know.

What?

No Heritage Party propaganda?