To not be able to believe what I'm reading

[Butwasitherdriveway]

Had a leaflet through my door......

I'm lost for words.

@Quaagars

Would you judge all racists because one of them is in the KKK?

Seeing as driveway has said If feminists formed a batshit party, I wouldn't judge all of them either.
You don't judge a party by the worst of its members.
The KK and racists is a whole different kettle of fish though - if you're that much of a one to join there in the first place, too right people will judge in that situation.
It's not comparable.

It's interesting that MRAs are being compared to paedophiles and racists.

How outrageous for men not to just sit down and have the feminists tell them how things are. They must be silenced.

@Pumperthepumper

The level of debate you’re capable of - insults, lying, backtracking, and emojis.

Where has she backtracked? She's clearly responding to you, and hasn't backtracked at all and stood by what has said like I did earlier I'm not surprised snoozy emoticons are starting to be deployed, starting to feel like that myself a bit too lol - she didn't backtrack. Or lie.

Why do you think Driveway is a woman?

@Quaagars she does it on many tnreadsy , that's why I'm bored.

Don't be silly Quaags, I'm a man! I must be. One isn't allowed to support men and must follow the utterly bizarre views of all other women otherwise one is designated a penis.

I believe in animal rights too so I have decided I'm a giraffe.

Why do you think I’m a woman?

I don't care what you are.

It's interesting that MRAs are being compared to paedophiles and racists.
I don’t like to say it, but racism/white supremacy often does go hand in hand with MRA.
The leader of Austria’s MRA group wasquoted as saying they and white supremist groups must work together.

With respect, I really don’t think the MRA movement is at all what you think it is.

@DiddlyWiddly

It's interesting that MRAs are being compared to paedophiles and racists. I don’t like to say it, but racism/white supremacy often does go hand in hand with MRA. The leader of Austria’s MRA group wasquoted as saying they and white supremist groups must work together.

With respect, I really don’t think the MRA movement is at all what you think it is.

Okaydokey.

Why do you think Driveway is a woman?

I don't lol, how would I even know?!
Why does it even matter?!
Why would you bring that up
Men and women use here, and both post. As I said in an earlier comment, both men and women clearly can and do hold the same views as this party.
*Assuming there are at least a few women on this thread, unless you think all people who disagree with you must be a man or something?
She is usually the default pronoun on MN so I went with she.
Seriously, what a bizarre comment.
Why does it matter if you're male or female on here?
You either hold the views or you don't.

www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/ideology/male-supremacy

www.thecut.com/2017/08/mens-rights-activism-is-the-gateway-drug-for-the-alt-right.html

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/misogyny-white-supremacy-links-alt-right-antidefamation-league-report-incel-a8463611.html

okaydokay
Seriously?
You aren’t even going to explain why you feel the way you do about MRA?

For a poster so quick to defend acts of male violence against women and womens rights to make decisions about their own lives and bodies i am beyond shocked that you are defending an ideology based on the belief of women being lesser.
And more shocked that you won’t even say why.

Don't be silly Quaags, I'm a man! I must be. One isn't allowed to support men and must follow the utterly bizarre views of all other women otherwise one is designated a penis.

I believe in animal rights too so I have decided I'm a giraffe.

Cross posted lol
Yep, took the usual batshittery turn - anyone who disagrees "how do you know that they're a woman? Could be a man!
Yes, I know
Kind of interesting though that people have no qualms whatsoever with MRA views, or far right views if one of the points they are making is something they agree with - which takes me back to my earlier point!
Double standards, much.
Anyone would think we were all just people, with our own views or something!

‘For a poster so quick to defend VICTIMS OF acts of male violence against women’
Gosh what a catastrophic typo that was

@DiddlyWiddly

okaydokay Seriously? You aren’t even going to explain why you feel the way you do about MRA?

For a poster so quick to defend acts of male violence against women and womens rights to make decisions about their own lives and bodies i am beyond shocked that you are defending an ideology based on the belief of women being lesser.
And more shocked that you won’t even say why.

Glad you corrected yourself

I won't say why because I can't be arsed with pumper and the inevitable derail. feel how I feel.

@Quaagars

Don't be silly Quaags, I'm a man! I must be. One isn't allowed to support men and must follow the utterly bizarre views of all other women otherwise one is designated a penis.

I believe in animal rights too so I have decided I'm a giraffe.

Cross posted lol
Yep, took the usual batshittery turn - anyone who disagrees "how do you know that they're a woman? Could be a man!
Yes, I know
Kind of interesting though that people have no qualms whatsoever with MRA views, or far right views if one of the points they are making is something they agree with - which takes me back to my earlier point!
Double standards, much.
Anyone would think we were all just people, with our own views or something!

Sorry pal you're talking to a male serving woman hating male apologist ')

I find the title of that link diddly just posted really interesting -
the "MRA is a gateway drug to the alt right"
as in, people have and do say the same about feminism.
Just like I said earlier.
How references to Breitbart, and agreeing with and supporting alt right youtubers if they agree on a subject (have been a few threads on here in the past on the same topic) which have been eye opening.
How is it any different to be posting "that's bad" type posts when it comes to MRA's doing it, but "no, don't be silly, how very dare you insinuate that feminists agree with alt right?!" (when some do)
It's no different.
It doesn't mean all.

@Quaagars

I find the title of that link diddly just posted really interesting - the "MRA is a gateway drug to the alt right" as in, people have and do say the same about feminism. Just like I said earlier. How references to Breitbart, and agreeing with and supporting alt right youtubers if they agree on a subject (have been a few threads on here in the past on the same topic) which have been eye opening. How is it any different to be posting "that's bad" type posts when it comes to MRA's doing it, but "no, don't be silly, how very dare you insinuate that feminists agree with alt right?!" (when some do) It's no different. It doesn't mean all.

I'm not watching it because I couldn't care less about his views.

For a poster so quick to defend acts of male violence against women and womens rights

Where on earth has driveway done that, have I missed a post?!

@Quaagars

For a poster so quick to defend acts of male violence against women and womens rights

Where on earth has driveway done that, have I missed a post?!

She meant victims, she's clarified.

There a whole hoo ha earlier when I defended an upset poster

I'm not watching it because I couldn't care less about his views.

Same, I'm not giving any alt right channels or articles a click (assuming that's where the link takes me)
I just found it interesting that if it's men's rights viewpoints the alt right is wheeled out as being bad on here, but if it's women's rights viewpoints and the alt right agrees with them on some points, suddenly it's OK to watch/subscribe to/support/whatever.

I could post hundreds of examples of bad things about feminists.

That was my point.

She meant victims, she's clarified.

Ah OK, missed that correction, just seen now.

I won't say why because I can't be arsed with pumper and the inevitable derail. feel how I feel
But can you not see how bizarre and hypocritical it comes across?

You posted a thread about the Scottish Family party and complained (rightly so!) about how they want to remove women’s rights laws, stop them working, keep them at home etc then said that you see nothing wrong with the Men Rights Movement/Men Rights Activism.

It is well known that the Mens Rights movement/Activism is based around the belief that women’s are lesser, prominent MRA members have been filmed time and time and time again saying hateful things about women, blaming women for all of men’s problems.
The fact that the SFP believes women are lesser and the MRM believes women are lesser and the founding member of the SFP is an MRA is not a coincidence..

Your view regarding the Scottish Family Party (that they are batshit crazy and wrong) is completely at odds to the beliefs of the Mens Rights Movement/Men’s Rights Activism who you claim to support.

You can’t agree with both ideologies as they are completely separate!

@DiddlyWiddly

I won't say why because I can't be arsed with pumper and the inevitable derail. feel how I feel But can you not see how bizarre and hypocritical it comes across?

You posted a thread about the Scottish Family party and complained (rightly so!) about how they want to remove women’s rights laws, stop them working, keep them at home etc then said that you see nothing wrong with the Men Rights Movement/Men Rights Activism.

It is well known that the Mens Rights movement/Activism is based around the belief that women’s are lesser, prominent MRA members have been filmed time and time and time again saying hateful things about women, blaming women for all of men’s problems.
The fact that the SFP believes women are lesser and the MRM believes women are lesser and the founding member of the SFP is an MRA is not a coincidence..

Your view regarding the Scottish Family Party (that they are batshit crazy and wrong) is completely at odds to the beliefs of the Mens Rights Movement/Men’s Rights Activism who you claim to support.

You can’t agree with both ideologies as they are completely separate!

Yes, I absolutely can. Of course I can. The world isn't black and white.

You can’t agree with both ideologies as they are completely separate!

People can agree with parties/ideologies all the time and not sign up to absolutely every single viewpoint they hold.
Eg, a lot of women would agree with the whole staying at home and being a "housewife", providing for their husband in a "traditional" home and kids set up) and being opposed to abortion.
It's not just a man's viewpoint.
So both would probably agree there.
Like driveway said, it's not all black and white where you agree with all aspects of everything.
Sometimes it's just some you (general you) agree with.