To think Charlotte Crosby is completely right here

[Fedup1223]

She posted the below statement in response to channel 5 tv show made called “Celebrities what happened to your face”.

I get what some people are saying, gs was utter trash s he had sex on TV and didn't seem to mind that but a showbout her surgery obviously has hit nerve with her and is quite an assasanation

Not sticking up for channel 5 lately they're the equivalent of the notw

I do think that there is a point to be made in that all this plastic surgery at such young ages is both unnecessary and actually “ruins” a once pretty face. However it sounds like this show was done purely to mock the woman, and others like her. That is not the way to educate.

It’s a difficult one. I don’t know Charlotte Crosby (I had to google her) so cannot comment on her personality. She is part of the problem if she is “promoting” this sort of unhealthy image, so yes I can see how she can’t really complain if it’s been used against her. But I don’t agree with the way it’s been done. She doesn’t deserve to be victimised in this way.

However you then got on to the whole topic of trash tv, in which I’d place programmes like GS itself. Yes it’s sometimes nice to watch something “easy” to unwind but I think it can be done well. I like “first dates” it seems on the whole respectful, inclusive, all quite positive. An easy watch, not something where you’re watching a car crash of someone’s life. Then you get all the exploitative shows like most of the ones about people on benefits or “reality shows” full of (mostly scripted it seems) “drama” where so an so sleeps with this or that person then falls out with someone else and so on. If we consume the trash then of course tv companies will make more, its logical.

Honestly I think the best thing we can do as individuals is to raise our daughters not to buy into it all. It’s hard. It’s being blasted at them from every angle. I was lucky in that my DD was already an adult before social media etc really took off. But we can’t change the whole of society.

Women really are societies scapegoats. It seems to make men and women feel better when they were giving a woman a good kicking. I have no idea who this woman is, but this is bullying. Women are under enormous pressure, especially those in the public eye, to look good and, if they have plastic surgery in order to do that are bad mouthed for it. They can't win. I've seen some women's magazines where they have actually circled cellulite on women's thighs and taken apart their faces like nasty, playground bullies. People laugh at actresses who have had the audacity to age and, when they have plastic surgery they laugh at them for that as well.

It's easy to dehumanise those in the public eye but they're human beings and these kinds of programmes have a detrimental effect on them. I'm glad this woman has spoken out about it.

Saw the programme. The essential truth is she's overdone it and doesn't look quite normal. But I never thought her fortune was in her face anyway. She was a pretty girl and popular because of who she was and her amazing personality. That essential character will last and people will love her for it. She didn't need all that "work", she was perfect as she was.

The danger is if she keeps on she'll end up looking like Cat Woman ( Jocelyn Wildenstein ) or an aging drag queen. Chloe Feerry is halfway there already.

[quote Fedup1223]@LakieLady you miss the point. You’ve suggested she could ignore it. Could you ignore it, in that situation?

You are aware that this is a real human being right? One who’s nan has watched the show, who’s been sent texts etc.[/quote]
I think you're missing my point. I would never be in that position, because I value and protect my privacy. I wouldn't go on a reality show, I don't have a Instagram account, I'm not even on Facebook.

And if, as a pp posted upthread, she puts images online herself, using filters etc to make herself look a certain way, she's buying in to this whole thing about valuing women for their beauty and she's part of the problem.

I feel differently about, say female politicians, sportspeople, journalists etc (and Mary Beard!) who are ridiculed for how they look when it is completely irrelevant to their job, but this isn't the case here.

Anyone who drastically alters their appearance from a kardashian to the barmaid in the local clearly has self esteem issues. Making a tv show about them with that as the focus is really not ok

But those with a plastic surgery addiction like Michael Jackson, often have mental health issues, otherwise they wouldn't mutilate themselves like that. Jackson's nose fell off! I can't be bothered to look her up, but if she's ruining her face with surgery she had no need for, then it says a lot about her mental health. If that's the case, she needs support and help, not ridicule.

@username12345T

But those with a plastic surgery addiction like Michael Jackson, often have mental health issues, otherwise they wouldn't mutilate themselves like that. Jackson's nose fell off! I can't be bothered to look her up, but if she's ruining her face with surgery she had no need for, then it says a lot about her mental health. If that's the case, she needs support and help, not ridicule.

And this is where I think that the programme-makers have an element of culpability.

They should not be putting people on these programmes if they are vulnerable and not resilient.

I personally think Channel 5 is a trash channel, and never watch it on principle.

But you can't make a living from media coverage and only expect it to be on your terms.

Lakie "They should not be putting people on these programmes if they are vulnerable and not resilient."

How would they know?

These shows shouldn't be made. Likewise articles that comment on appearance.

Great thing about working at home is I don't have colleagues calling me to their screen to look at a sleb appearance, it used to give me the rage.

I'm not keen on celebrities such as Charlotte Crosby and I had to look her up to find out who she was. She may have been very misguided to go down the route of plastic surgery but making this sort of programme about her is totally unacceptable.

But you can't make a living from media coverage and only expect it to be on your terms.

There is media coverage and there is this show. This show crosses a huge line.

I think that she's both the victim and part of the problem.

The programme is despicable and I am sorry that hear that she has issues with her mental health.

However her free cosmetic treatments and probable use of filters on social media will have contributed to negative mental health of other people who then pay for cosmetic procedures on their "normal" wages.

Im going against the grain alot of celebs have been having various surgery's and fillers to "enhance" their looks to battle aging or thinking they alter themselves to be more beautiful. In reality they were more attractive before and going under the knife and it actually destroys their looks long term especially repeatedly having correction surgerys. I can think of many celebs this relates to, Pete Burns. Michael Jacksons. Janet Jackson, Farrah Abraham to name afew. If prevents girls from the pressure of living up to society's exspections of what's considered beautiful then I don't see it as a bad thing although they singled charlottw out. Charlotte was the typical girl next door who you could relate to, she then bought into the famous lifestyle and altered her appearance in what she thought she needed to do.

But it's ok to pick apart the Kardashians??

The Kardashians hawk “weightloss” products to their millions of teenagers followers in order to make billions of dollars they can easily live without. So, yes, happy to see them take a bashing.

This is completely unacceptable.

it prevents girls from the pressure of living up to society's exspections of what's considered beautiful

What about the pressure on female celebrities, especially actors, to look a certain way in order to keep their career? Who do we put the blame on for that?

The Kardashians come from a family where looks is obviously considered more important than other achievements. The recent Khloe episode shows how warped their upbringing is and how it's affected her self esteem. I can totally understand why Rob has decided to say fuck it and stay away from cameras because he's no longer slim and in shape.

Highly unlikely, I'm more in the Mary Beard mould and no-one's likely to make a tv show about a 65 year-old benefits advisor

When you live a quiet, anonymous life, no-one's going to make a tv show about you. And you get to keep your privacy

No one is going to make a tv show about me I am in my 50s and seriously considering plastic surgery. I know I was never great looking but now my face is literally falling off my skull I seem to be the target of people in the streets making comments about my face.
Glad for the mask as I have a great forehead but my cheeks are somewhere south of my chin.

You don’t have to be a celebrity for someone feel they can make a comment about your appearance

I thought it was a very measured and dignified response to completely appalling behaviour, even by channel 5’s pretty low standards.

Nobody, literally nobody, including ‘influencers’ deserves to have an hour long show produced criticising their FACE. Sometimes I feel like we’re in a dystopian Ben Elton novel.

It reminds me of the full page magazine article criticising Caroline Flack’s appearence and personality a few years ago. Really sad that nothing changes, in fact it’s basically getting worse.

Possibly unrelated but I find it interesting that I didn’t really see anyone commenting on the first episode which featured Simon Cowell. I don’t disagree with people doing what they want to their own body and face but I do think it’s sad that anyone feels the need to go to such drastic lengths to conform to what is essentially a really unhealthy image f eternal youth. That goes for men and woman of any age. It must be absolutely exhausting trying to keep up with it all or risk losing the life style you’ve probably become quite accustomed to. I find how permanent some procedures are quite scary, it’s almost like once you’ve had it done and can’t undo it you have to keep up the narrative of it being the best thing ever and how good you look and feel whether it’s really how you feel or not, seems the only winners are the surgeons and beauticians who offer these procedures. Make me glad I’m not famous and no one cares about a few frown lines and having a double chin...

It's awful but if there wasn't the demand the programme wouldn't have been made?

but companies still don't have to make morally dubious shows, do they? it's disgraceful

@Footloosefancyfree

Im going against the grain alot of celebs have been having various surgery's and fillers to "enhance" their looks to battle aging or thinking they alter themselves to be more beautiful. In reality they were more attractive before and going under the knife and it actually destroys their looks long term especially repeatedly having correction surgerys. I can think of many celebs this relates to, Pete Burns. Michael Jacksons. Janet Jackson, Farrah Abraham to name afew. If prevents girls from the pressure of living up to society's exspections of what's considered beautiful then I don't see it as a bad thing although they singled charlottw out. Charlotte was the typical girl next door who you could relate to, she then bought into the famous lifestyle and altered her appearance in what she thought she needed to do.

The short-term thinking is scary. I'm assuming that people who choose surgery despite the long-term effect don't see themselves working when they are older or perhaps being in the public eye at all?

MintyMabel

Not all actors/actresses have bought into plastic surgery to maintain careers.

Charlotte and Chloe Ferry, Holly Hagan, Vicky pattison all came from trash tv and utilmately are millionaires for it. They are extremely popular with the younger generation and they regularly promote
a warped view of their body imagines or the latest trend of beauty regimes. I remember Vicky posting about being on an IV for some beauty regime, Holly posting about her over sized bum implants. They lack any sense of duty of care for their younger more impressionable followers. They can give free procedures so they can advertise and market the before and after pics which are airbrushed aswell. The new trend is over sized lip fillers and cheek fillers.

The fact is she wasn't the first to have a documentary made about her over use for surgeries, Michael jacksons had numbers documentaries, Pete Burns and someone said Simon Cowell was the week previously but where was the outrage then?

@Footloosefancyfree

The fact is she wasn't the first to have a documentary made about her over use for surgeries, Michael jacksons had numbers documentaries, Pete Burns and someone said Simon Cowell was the week previously but where was the outrage then?

I wasn’t aware of the others. But to be fair - she’s publicly said it has bothered her. Her producers wrote to the show and said it bothered her.