To think Charlotte Crosby is completely right here

[Fedup1223]

She posted the below statement in response to channel 5 tv show made called “Celebrities what happened to your face”.

Yes discuss these questionable choices and the harms of them but put the blame where it's due. Calling it by that stupid title and making it personal to her and a few others when nearly everyone in the entertainment industry is at it is basically victim blaming to my mind.

Surgeons discussing and speculating about what she's had done with disapproving tones is helpful how?
A general discussion of the risks and the pressures on people to make these choices is one thing but your description of the show does not make me think any better of it.

It's disgusting and utterly shocking in 2021 that a TV channel thought this was acceptable. People defending them? What the fuck is that all about

I had never heard of her before this thread and I haven't watched the programme, but if I am honest, I am torn about this.

I looked at her instagram and she is posting images that are heavily filtered, altered and she is unrecognisable from the photos someone posted above, and that is all she is famous for.

Personally, her instagram account is utterly unhealthy, hundreds of her followers posting how beautiful she is, yet everything about her images are fake, her plastic surgery is extreme and she is not beautiful in the least, in the photos above, she was a lovely attractive girl before she did what she did.

I think she is doing more harm in a broader sense, hopefully the programme has addressed that aspect of her, although the title is not pleasant at all.

At the end of the day, it is NOT such a bad thing that these 'influencers' are being exposed and called out on on the extreme measures they are taking to make money and the fakery of it all.

People like her are the very last people who should be calling out anyone for image shaming.

@Mrsmadevans

I am shocked at what the plastic surgeons have done to her tbh , they have ruined her beautiful face. That poor girl . I couldn't believe a young woman as beautiful as she was, would disfigure herself so badly , why on earth did she do it. The ppl who made the programme are despicable . They must have made her despair.

The surgeons have done the work which Charlotte wanted them to do and paid them to do. She is not a ‘poor girl’, nor is she some sort of victim. She is part of the problem. She has helped to create and perpetuate a media culture in which young women are encouraged to disfigure themselves to chase an unrealistic and unhealthy body image.

@dayswithaY

I did watch the programme. It also discussed the facial surgery of Sylvester Stallone but I don't hear anyone defending his choices.

They had qualified plastic surgeons looking at before and after pics of Charlotte and speculating on what work she had had done. The comment they all made was that she had gone way too far, the doctors who did her work should have advised her against it and that she had had a great number of procedures for someone so young. They also commented that her face was lovely before, and now she looks quite unnatural.

Yes, it was critical and possibly unkind to make such a programme. But if my daughter wanted her face to look like that, I would be concerned. One look at Instagram tells you this is now the desired look, that is very troubling.

The also showed all the procedures that they think Madonna has had. But because she is older than Charlotte and is presumably having them for anti ageing reasons people make jokes about her "pillow face" and that's not okay either.

I don't think it's wrong that people discuss Charlotte's troubling amount of plastic surgery.

To be fair - I very much doubt that Madonna or Stallone are watching a channel 5 tv show so not sure what the effect on them would be.

I agree that this mad aesthetic needs to be dealt with - but not sure a channel 5 programme entitled what’s wrong with your face would be the way to educate.

Not sure why anyone would need to speculate at what surgery she has had done - I imagine she’s pretty honest about it all.

100% agree with her. It is sickening. Who on earth thinks such a show is a good Idea and even remotely acceptable?

@Fedup1223

By doing this, she must accept that along with the fans from whom she makes money, some people will inevitably dislike and criticise her behaviour, personality and appearance. That’s the deal which these people have chosen to sign up for, and if they don’t like it, they are working in the wrong industry.

I think her statement addresses this. She says you can ignore and block - but a production company choosing to make a one hour tv show dedicated to slagging off how you look it another matter altogether.

But no-one made her watch it, or read coverage about it. She could have ignored it if she'd wanted to.

Perhaps younger people don't realise that "ignore" is actually something a human can do and only get its digital use!

She has helped to create and perpetuate a media culture in which young women are encouraged to disfigure themselves to chase an unrealistic and unhealthy body image

On the flip side I consider her to be one of the young women drawn in. This culture has been around much longer than CC

I have no idea who this celebrity she is. She looked lovely in the first photo, and it is very sad that she felt the need to have 'improvement ' surgery, as clearly none was required. However to make a mockery of the poor girl in a documentary is absolutely horrendous.

They'll have only put Sylvester Stallone in there in a thinly veiled attempt to disguise the inherent misogyny. It is by far and away women who are pressured into having cosmetic procedures to look acceptable

On the opposite end of the scale look at Mary Beard who was ridiculed for looking like a normal older woman and daring to go on TV to talk about her area of expertise.

Women cannot win. They will be ridiculed for ageing naturally and for having 'too much' done. They should have just the right Goldilocks amount of cosmetic adjustments to look acceptable

FFS this is making me very cross having to think about this.

@LakieLady imagine that tomorrow a tv show was put on saying “look at Lakie’s face”. Do you think none of your friends, family, colleagues etc would let you know.
Oh and you’d been contacted directly to be let know they were going to make an hour long tv show going out at prime time.

This isn’t a tweet from a random. This is one of the major terrestrial channels.

I’m 40 and don’t think I could ignore that. To be fair I doubt someone in their 70’s could ignore it.

But no-one made her watch it, or read coverage about it. She could have ignored it if she'd wanted to.

Seriously?

We really are up against it

@rainbowthoughts

She has helped to create and perpetuate a media culture in which young women are encouraged to disfigure themselves to chase an unrealistic and unhealthy body image

On the flip side I consider her to be one of the young women drawn in. This culture has been around much longer than CC

I agree. I think in the 1990s it was the same with those suffering eating disorders. I remember the hatred towards Calista Flockheart when doing Ally McBeale. Rather than consider what was driving her issues - it seemed more that she was blamed.

I feel this is similar to be honest.

I also think the commissioning time shows all you need to know. March 2020 - less than a month after Caroline Flack and as we were headed for what was, at the time, a terrifying lockdown.

@rainbowthoughts

But no-one made her watch it, or read coverage about it. She could have ignored it if she'd wanted to.

Seriously?

We really are up against it

That's the tbing though. Nobody made her go on Geordie Shore, or fo fitness DVDs or gobon the countless other reality showsshe did after that. She's reaped the benefits from that. It's a horrible industry but she courted it.

Whether someone has been involved in making “salacious” tv programmes or not gives no one the right to make a tv program critiquing what work they have had done to their face.

The problem lies with the audience. This is cheap tv to fill a time slot. For me I wish audiences would be more discernible in what they watch and demand programs that have all of the participants being paid and not the ridiculous game shows, talent shows or fly on the wall documentaries that rely on the general public giving their time for free to pad out hours of tv time.
This documentary is another cheap tv programme. I have not watched it but I imagine it is a few so called experts paid a set fee to sit in a room for a few hours and talk crap about some photos of some celebrities who have had plastic surgery. I doubt they could have afforded the celebrities to turn up even if they wanted the advice to put what they supposedly did wrong right. It would have blown the budget. Or was it just about pointing out what had gone wrong.
Next they won’t use paid people to talk shit about someone they will find it is cheaper to use unpaid members of the public

That's the tbing though. Nobody made her go on Geordie Shore, or fo fitness DVDs or gobon the countless other reality showsshe did after that. She's reaped the benefits from that. It's a horrible industry but she courted it.

This is not 'the thing' at all. How ridiculous to suggest what the TV company have done is acceptable based on her going on GS etc.

@Ponoka7

"But in the meantime they are actively contributing to a very damaging culture that is damaging young people who are influenced by them, and/or aspire to be more like them"

Then make shows about that and 'them'. Not an attack on one person. The fact that it was commissioned one month after Caroline's suicide is disgraceful. The male members of reality TV shows behave in ways which ok women being disposable and easy replaceable, DV, emotional abuse (an emotionally abusive relationship was allowed to continue on camera on GS), rape culture, revenge porn etc, but it's only the women's appearance which is examined.

If people stopped watching these shows, they'd soon stop making them.

Advertising revenue would plummet and they wouldn't get commissioned/bought.

I think it’s a bit much to say she didn’t have to watch it. However she actually said on her Instagram earlier that she hadn’t watched it herself as it was too upsetting, although she has had thousands of messages and seen clips.

It made me really sad to hear her saying she had told her Nan that she was being featured in a programme and then when she realised how bad it was she was upset about her Nan having to watch it. She’s done lots of stuff on tv in the past that she probably wouldn’t choose to do now she is in her 30s but at least that was with her consent and making her an income. This was neither of those.

I saw the programme and it was absolutely brutal, on both Charlotte and on Sly Stallone. Not just the fact that an hour long programme was dedicated to ripping apart someone’s looks and weight, but also the language used. I can’t believe commissioners haven’t moved on from this kind of crap. I’ve complained.

That's the tbing though. Nobody made her go on Geordie Shore, or fo fitness DVDs or gobon the countless other reality showsshe did after that. She's reaped the benefits from that. It's a horrible industry but she courted it
It is a job and unless everyone in the world turns off their tvs then it will remain a job.

Just because someone is on tv doing a job no matter how lowly or highly paid they are it doesn’t give someone the right to make a tv programme about how terrible they supposedly look

[quote Fedup1223]@LakieLady imagine that tomorrow a tv show was put on saying “look at Lakie’s face”. Do you think none of your friends, family, colleagues etc would let you know.
Oh and you’d been contacted directly to be let know they were going to make an hour long tv show going out at prime time.

This isn’t a tweet from a random. This is one of the major terrestrial channels.

I’m 40 and don’t think I could ignore that. To be fair I doubt someone in their 70’s could ignore it.[/quote]
Highly unlikely, I'm more in the Mary Beard mould and no-one's likely to make a tv show about a 65 year-old benefits advisor!

When you live a quiet, anonymous life, no-one's going to make a tv show about you. And you get to keep your privacy.

It's not a look I would ever go for and I have serious issues with the promotion and normalisation of plastic surgery and fillers, in addition to the ethics of social media influences. I openly welcome frank conversations to question and discuss these issues.

But that's not the issue here. The issue is that anyone thought it acceptable to make an hour long programme about one individual without their consent to just discuss their appearance. It's utterly hideous. By all means cover the topic and the wider impact to society but to pick out Crosby alone is bullying.

If people stopped watching these shows, they'd soon stop making them.

That's not untrue. However it doesn't absolve the makers of responsibility here. They and only the are responsible here. Not CC, not anybody who watched the show, just the makers.

@LakieLady you miss the point. You’ve suggested she could ignore it. Could you ignore it, in that situation?

You are aware that this is a real human being right? One who’s nan has watched the show, who’s been sent texts etc.

It’s dreadful and it’s bullying.

I don’t know CC and a quick google shows a lot of plastic surgery choices I wouldn’t make, but a one hour show slagging off her appearance is unbelievable.