Derek Chauvin

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Derek Chauvin found guilty of all charges ,this is the right verdict imo,having watched the trial

@myrtleWilson I totally agree with you
And @C8H10N4O2 too, absolutely spot on.

So agree Confessions great post.

I think the small crowd urging and begging him to take his knee off further reinforced his determination not to. There was one point in the footage when kneeling, when he casually looked down at George then swung his head round to look at the people there talking to him, and the look he had to me, was chilling.

I do have to correct one falsehood I have seen more than once. He did not have his hand in his pocket, he had black gloves on. It looked like he did, but that was not so. However he still displayed nonchalance in what he was doing, it was abhorrent.

@HolyMilkBoobiesBatman Those links are absolutely shocking.

@GelfBride

The fact that the bystanders all stayed on the sidewalk instead of pushing Chauvin off of Floyd tells us how the USA is policed. They knew they would take a bullet if they stepped in.

This is what really shook me. Honestly, in England I am 99% sure a bystander would have stepped in and shoved him off. Medics too, would have intervened. An off duty firefighter was there and asked for help - they would also have acted physically I'm sure of it.

In the US, if they'd have done that they'd very likely have been shot.

Arrested here, almost definitely but unlikely to have been convicted of anything given the circumstances. In the US, they'd possibly have been killed trying to save someone's life.

The US should be throughly ashamed of this culture. It's sickening.

It doesn't matter what George Floyd did or had done in the past, chauvin had no right to be judge, jury and executioner.

This is what really shook me. Honestly, in England I am 99% sure a bystander would have stepped in and shoved him off. Medics too
It struck me too, the terror in the bystanders. The 2nd shop assistant made an attempt to step forwards he was shoved.

@timeforanewnameagain 99% they wouldn't. Bystander effect.

paralysedbyinertia Yes, I hope banned too. What makes me sad is that there are people out there hiding in plain sight who actually do think that what happened was OK and Chauvin should've been acquitted.

President Biden has praised Darnella, quite rightly so. She said she cried and cried when she heard the verdict.

And this....

Frazier's video may have been the only reason the police's original characterization of Floyd's killing, described as a "medical incident during police interaction," was challenged

I’m not sure what the ‘hierarchy’ of services is - I guess off duty wouldn’t trump an on duty officer?

I did mention this to my niece (a firefighter on the US) and she said she would have intervened physically (she is incredibly fit and strong, and I think she could take on a man in that situation).

I have seen people pulled over in the US for driving violations (not indicating, driving too slow... so not major violations) and the police can act like little hitlers in a uniform. Their attitude can suck and be rather aggressive (of course not all of them and not all the time). It does help when you have a small child in the back wailing ‘you aren’t going to take mommy to jail are you???’

Biden’s comments may have been made after the jury was sequestered but were still stupid. If the jury had returned a not guilty verdict after the president had said Chauvin was guilty it would have made riots, etc even worse. Yes, there would still have been riots regardless but quite possibly more people would have felt emboldened to join in...I mean if the president thinks it should have been a guilty verdict then it should be a guilty verdict?

*British Police are no angels, and death in custody do occur and are not prosecuted, which is shameful.

But it seems to me that for the most part, police in Britain are facing the same situations but managing to apprehend civilians and detain them without murdering them. In America, it’s becoming an alimony daily occurrence that a civilian does having had the misfortune to cross paths with the police.

What is it that makes the US police default to excessive and too often lethal force as a first option? In the UK most police do not carry firearms, so they HAVE to find other solutions to manage situations.

Perhaps if British police all carried firearms we would be seeing similar stats to the US. I for one am grateful that they don’t.*

It's standard for most police officers to carry guns in many (possibly most) European countries, yet civilians aren't killed by police at anywhere near the rate they are in the US - or indeed, at higher rates than in the UK. Obviously the level of gun ownership and violence in the US population is a big factor but there also appears to be a totally different approach to training, deescalation vs confrontation, what justifies deadly force, community policing and engagement etc.

America is a deeply racist country and seems to hate black people

Chauvin had 18 complaints filed against him during his career as a police officer. I wonder how many people were mistreated by him, but never complained.

That’s the character history people should be interested in. The character of a person who is now a convicted murderer.

Wasn’t one of the other 3 officers only a few weeks into the job? It must be hard as a rookie to stand up to someone with 20 years experience who you would assume knows what they’re doing and is using correct techniques?? 🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️

It might be a slight odd comparison but I remember watching some sort of RSPCA show here where the officer took ages coaxing a scared dog into a lead and then into their van. I also watched the US equivalent and they used a catch pole to drag the dog with no effort to get it to come to them.
Sums up the UK/US approach to me. The US Police seem to escalate so much faster and more violently. I wonder how much of that is the knowledge that the person they are dealing with could well have a gun so they don’t give them a chance to come quietly just in case.

Biden’s comments may have been made after the jury was sequestered but were still stupid

Doubtless Chauvin's appeals, like so many commenters on this thread, will desperately try to throw any old nonsense in to prolong things and play down his crimes.

Biden's comments were "for a just verdict" and after sequestration. Therefore they cannot be considered to have influenced the jury unless jurors themselves committed a crime by breaking sequestration during the 9 hours of supervised debate.

I just googled, office LAne had only been an officer for days. He was the one who asked Chauvin if Floyd should be rolled onto his side and Chauvin said no. Out of the 4 I do have a bit of sympathy for him.

The other police man was extremely threatening, the one who pushed the guy away - I would have also been extremely nervous around them, they are power mad , its obvious to see..

That I think was Thao. He was awful.

She said she cried and cried when she heard the verdict.

Poor kid. I really hope that she will find some peace in the knowledge that her bravery was the key to securing the right verdict in this case. No child should have to witness something like that, though.

As for Biden speaking out before the jury had reached their verdict, I felt a little uncomfortable with it if I'm honest, though it clearly didn't affect the outcome of the trial. I don't think he would have spoken out if the evidence hadn't been so overwhelmingly in favour of a guilty verdict - I assume that he felt that it was a foregone conclusion. However, I don't totally know whether the defence could potentially argue that his statement might prejudice a re-trial? I sincerely hope not.

@toffeebutterpopcorn

I’m not sure what the ‘hierarchy’ of services is - I guess off duty wouldn’t trump an on duty officer?

I did mention this to my niece (a firefighter on the US) and she said she would have intervened physically (she is incredibly fit and strong, and I think she could take on a man in that situation).

I have seen people pulled over in the US for driving violations (not indicating, driving too slow... so not major violations) and the police can act like little hitlers in a uniform. Their attitude can suck and be rather aggressive (of course not all of them and not all the time). It does help when you have a small child in the back wailing ‘you aren’t going to take mommy to jail are you???’

Rank takes precedence, whether on duty or off.

Your niece most likely would have been shot by one of the four armed officers.

@C8H10N4O2 will Biden's comment affect sentencing?

I don't know how the US justice system works.

She is a senior station bod, god knows how they work that out! She is also armed (sometimes).

Hoping but the police do have guns to deal with - its impossible, how can they simply get rid of the guns,...its such a blight on them

@MyNameIsArthur

2. I think Chauvin should have been convicted of just manslaughter rather than murder . He was definitely foolish and reckless in how he held Floyd down which resulted in his death but surely he didnt intend to kill Floyd? Why would someone intentionally kill somebody in such a public and recorded way that would ruin his whole life afterwards? Doesnt make sense.*

Do you believe that in any other circumstances you could put a 90lb weight on someone's windpipe, leave it there for 9 minutes, then they'd be able to walk away?

He may not have planned what he did, he may have not intended to act with such force, but at some point during the restraint, he knew what the outcome could be and he CHOSE to continue.