Derek Chauvin

[x2boys]

Derek Chauvin found guilty of all charges ,this is the right verdict imo,having watched the trial

No matter who you are or what you have done, trial by media, jury intimidation and interference by the government is never a good move.

Chauvin now has grounds to make a significant appeal. On the other hand and I’m not saying in this case before you all start, you could send an innocent man to prison.

@pinkearedcow

George Floyd would still be alive if he hadn't resisted

If four police officers can't deal non-lethally with one person resisting arrest, perhaps they shouldn't be police officers.

THIS.

British Police are no angels, and death in custody do occur and are not prosecuted, which is shameful.

But it seems to me that for the most part, police in Britain are facing the same situations but managing to apprehend civilians and detain them without murdering them. In America, it’s becoming an alimony daily occurrence that a civilian does having had the misfortune to cross paths with the police.

What is it that makes the US police default to excessive and too often lethal force as a first option? In the UK most police do not carry firearms, so they HAVE to find other solutions to manage situations.

Perhaps if British police all carried firearms we would be seeing similar stats to the US. I for one am grateful that they don’t.

In the UK, we are shocked and outraged if someone dies in custody (not shocked and outraged enough) - because it’s not. Regular occurrence.

In the US, it’s become so common as to be unsurprising. Taken for granted.

It’s frightening.

FFS, excuse the typos.

• In America, it’s becoming an ALMOST daily occurrence that a civilian DIES

Oh for an edit button

@mygenericusername

No matter who you are or what you have done, trial by media, jury intimidation and interference by the government is never a good move.

Chauvin now has grounds to make a significant appeal. On the other hand and I’m not saying in this case before you all start, you could send an innocent man to prison.

Based on the evidence presented in the trial, do you think there is any likelihood that the jury would have reached a different verdict if there hadn't been any media attention/political commentary?

Of course there will be an appeal, that's to be expected. They'll probably try to argue that there has been a mistrial. It will be for the courts to determine whether the jury was unfairly influenced or not.

But if you are not actually implying that you think a mistrial has happened in this case, I find myself wondering why you feel the need to talk about the possibility of sending an innocent man to prison?

Mentioning white officers being killed by black men when talking about this is the equivalent of “all lives matter”
I remember listening to a White congresswoman recounting an experience when She had found Police Officers in her garden responding to a mistaken call about a burglary. She was telling her black colleague this story and said her main concern was that the officers might shoot her dog. Her colleague replied her main concern would have that they would shoot her son. Really struck a cord with me for some reason.

I feel uncomfortable with the whole thing for a few reasons:

1. George Floyd is being made out to be a martyr with no mention of his crimes . Of course he didn't deserve to die though, but he wasn't a nice person. Media is making him out to be a jolly decent bloke. He wasn't.

2. I think Chauvin should have been convicted of just manslaughter rather than murder . He was definitely foolish and reckless in how he held Floyd down which resulted in his death but surely he didnt intend to kill Floyd? Why would someone intentionally kill somebody in such a public and recorded way that would ruin his whole life afterwards? Doesnt make sense.

3. President Biden should not have said about there being overwhelming evidence and wanting the right verdict. Am guessing the jurors didn't see this but if there happened to be a retrial, his words would influence the outcome.

4. The fact there would be violent protests and riots if the jurors didn't return a murder verdict is worrying. It must create great pressure to return a particular verdict for fear of upsetting the public.

I hope with all my heart that there will now be new legislation which seeks to prevent this happening again.

In the UK in the 70s minors and vulnerable adults could be interrogated without an adult/responsible person present. It took a case that was later overturned following the wrongful conviction of two minors and one man with a LD for a new act to be brought in. Up until that point, the Police used brutal interrogation techniques designed to force false confession.

Getting the law right so it protect vulnerable people is so important.

@MyNameIsArthur, have you actually seen the definition of second degree murder? It doesn't actually matter if Chauvin intended to kill George Floyd or not. That wasn't what the prosecution needed to prove.

As for whether Floyd was a nice man or not, again, why does it matter? Why is it relevant?

He's a vile racist, murdering low life piece of shit. He was loving it, smug, smiling, laughing, whilst snuffing George Floyd's life out. For over 9 minutes. But he was not so fucking smug in court was he.

Any buts or bullshit excuses or victim blaming means you don't think what he did was absolutely fucking outrageous. It was,

The statistics on the Twitter thread linked above is shocking. 3 people on average killed by police per day. With almost 5 times the population of the U.K., that equates to 4 police killings per week here. Wow!

@MyNameisAuthur. What does it matter if George Floyd had a criminal record or not? What has that got to do with what happened in this case. Would you expect a victim of rape to have any criminal record bought up, or what their character is like being judged?

Crazy that the police would have got away with their made up version if events if it hadn't been for a 17 year old black girl who defied police threats to mace her if she continued filming. Hats off to Darnella Frazier. I hope George Floyd's family remember her in their thanks.

MyNameisArthur

1. Not all the media, absolutely not. However, what does it matter? He was murdered.

1. Did you watch the trial? All of it? I did. It was the right verdict. It might not make sense to you but if you had watched all the evidence, you might well be saying it was the right verdict.

1. No his words did not influence the verdict. The jury were sequestered at the time so it made no difference whatsoever.

1. Absolute BS. There have been other similar cases with protests. Have a look at Eric Garner here

A very similar case even with 'I can't breathe' and a chokehold. This was the right verdict.

@MyNameIsArthur

I feel uncomfortable with the whole thing for a few reasons:

1. George Floyd is being made out to be a martyr with no mention of his crimes . Of course he didn't deserve to die though, but he wasn't a nice person. Media is making him out to be a jolly decent bloke. He wasn't.

2. I think Chauvin should have been convicted of just manslaughter rather than murder . He was definitely foolish and reckless in how he held Floyd down which resulted in his death but surely he didnt intend to kill Floyd? Why would someone intentionally kill somebody in such a public and recorded way that would ruin his whole life afterwards? Doesnt make sense.

3. President Biden should not have said about there being overwhelming evidence and wanting the right verdict. Am guessing the jurors didn't see this but if there happened to be a retrial, his words would influence the outcome.

4. The fact there would be violent protests and riots if the jurors didn't return a murder verdict is worrying. It must create great pressure to return a particular verdict for fear of upsetting the public.

I do agree with your third point. It was unwise and will be grounds for appeal. The most uncomfortable truth though is that without the eyes of the world, in all likelihood he would not been charged as so many before him. Chauvin perhaps felt invincible in killing a black man. The history of charges brought up until this point would back him up in that.

Of course he didn't deserve to die though, but he wasn't a nice person.

“Though” “But” 🙄

He didn’t deserve to die would suffice. As a pp said, George Floyd was the victim in this trial.

But he was not so fucking smug in court was he

I felt he was unfortunately. What I found strange or weird.. he had a mask on the whole time until the closing statements when he took it off and fixed his stare on the jury.
I have no idea if his Attorney prepared him for the possibility of a guilty verdict but at that point his eyes were darting all over the place.
Good to see him handcuffed in court.

@Roussette
That case was really similar. There were protests. The police involved were not charged.
Funny that cases like this haven’t been worrying many on this thread.

Sorry, I should not have said many. It’s a minority on this thread.

@stackemhigh they did. His Aunt and his cousin said how incredibly thankful they are. They spoke so eloquently on GMB, it was heartbreaking.

One more person says George Floyd " wasn't a nice man" so fucking what? He didn't deserve to die like that. There are a lot of not nice people. Doesn't mean the police have the right to go about murdering them and then lying about it whilst threatening witnesses FFS

Yes, thank goodness! There was an awful poster last night more or less saying GF deserved it. The thread was taken down.

@stackemhigh

So agree on Darnella Frazier. What a brave girl.

Also the brilliant prosecution team who took the case pro bono. The legal defense fund for the Police is millions strong, they can afford to hire the best. But the defence was no match for the two prosecutors who were really good.

@MyNameIsArthur - your underlying real beliefs are demonstrated in your language
Of course he didn't deserve to die though, but he wasn't a nice person

• the use of but denotes everything prior to that word to be discounted and also signals that the most important statement is to come. "He wasn't a nice person" seems to me to be the message you want to leave us with

The mentioning of George Floyd's previous actions scream whataboutery and is a kin to a defence lawyer trawling a rape victims sex history to discredit them. George Floyd was not a Saint, he was a man with a criminal past, but that is not what was on trial here, Derek Chauvin was on trial for his actions that led to the death of someone in his 'care' and let's not forget that.

In my view, Derek Chauvin, during his encounter with George Floyd, forgot one very important thing, one thing that we should all have, and that is compassion. The actions, that he chose to make, backed him in to a corner and his ego would not allow him to back down. His pride was hurt and he was going to do exactly what he wanted to do, when he wanted to do it. He refused to listen to onlookers, colleagues and medical staff because that would look weak, that would let the criminal, in his eyes, win. He wasn't phased by the pleas of a dying man, literally having the life squeezed out of him, he didn't care, as long as he was in control. He didn't care that what he was doing was being recorded by the crowd and on body cam, he thought he was untouchable, protected by the colour of his uniform and the colour of his skin.

Derek Chauvin abused his position of authority and he has rightly been held accountable for those actions by a jury of his peers.

I do agree with your third point. It was unwise and will be grounds for appeal

Biden's comments were made after the jury was sequestered.

This murder was so absolutely blatant that even the blue wall didn't have the front to lie for him and shield him from justice. So blatant that the prosecution actually put a proper case together instead of just doing bare bones coverage.

Do you realise just how appalling the crime had to be, how much evidence there had to be, for either of those events to happen?

I was on that thread last night, @Roussette. That poster was a disgrace, and I hope that they have been banned.

I am finding myself really worried about Darnella Frazier. She is so young, and it must be so difficult for her to process what she witnessed, especially with the whole media storm around it. I really hope that she is being well supported.

[quote myrtleWilson]@MyNameIsArthur - your underlying real beliefs are demonstrated in your language
Of course he didn't deserve to die though, but he wasn't a nice person

• the use of but denotes everything prior to that word to be discounted and also signals that the most important statement is to come. "He wasn't a nice person" seems to me to be the message you want to leave us with[/quote]

I agree. Why it is so important for that poster and other posters to talk about his character is for them to think about.