Derek Chauvin

[x2boys]

Derek Chauvin found guilty of all charges ,this is the right verdict imo,having watched the trial

[Veterinari]

@Olidocky
I'd also like to make it clear that despite your victim-blaming attack Sheku Bayou Was a trainee gas fitter who had NO previous record of any misbehaviour or violence

But sure, keep slandering a murder victim....

[Veterinari]

@Olidocky
As you claim to have insider knowledge of the case then please do post any evidence you have to support your attack on an unarmed dead man killed by police officers. I'd be really interested to hear your justification for up to 9 trained white police officers killing an unarmed black man who was significantly smaller and lighter than most of them. His alleged 'superhuman strength' doesn't seem to have helped him.

Additionally one of those officers inferred he might be a terrorist. In Kirkcaldy. Yeah definitely no racial profiling there.

Perhaps you know more than the families of the officers claiming some of them were violent and racist?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-34529611

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/oct/14/sheku-bayoh-death-in-custody-officer-violence-family-allege

No one said this death was related to GF. But it's clear that the UK police force also has problems with systemic racism and this death is an example of that

[Olidocky]

@Veterinari

I've seen the photographs of what he did to one of the police officers trying to arrest him. She hasn't been back at work since.

She's also been prosecuted for data protection breeches so wasn't exactly in track for a stellar career www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/sheku-bayoh-police-officer-injured-5945047

Are you trying to argue that he deserved to be smothered to death *@Olidocky* ?
If up to 9 officers couldn't coordinate to adequately restrain a single Man without murdering him or allowing injury to themselves then their training has failed them and that should be questioned.

The incident should not be used as an attempt to justify an unlawful murder of a man with no history of violence. It's disgusting that you would try and do so.

No history of violence? You've got to be kidding me?? And have you ever tried to restrain a person on narcotics intent on causing harm? I have (although admittedly in a health care setting rather than a police setting) They have superhuman strength and have no feedback system of their own biological functions. I have links in the town where this happened to the hospital, social work department and police force so whilst I respect your right to claim this as a police bashing race incident I call bullshit.
This case has nothing to do with the George Floyd case and the two should not be conflated.

[Roussette]

Not an isolated incident....

#BREAKING: The DOJ is preparing to charge Former MPD Officer Derek Chauvin for a 2017 attack on a black teenager where he was holding him down with his knee for nearly 17 minutes, as well as ignoring complaints from the teenager that he couldn't breathe, per
@ABC

[EmeraldShamrock]

I hope anyone who has died as a result of police brutality is held to account. I hope this gives others families, regardless of their ethnicity, the hope for justice.
Of course.
There was a recent case here too the young man had MH issues he was shot down in his front garden in day light.
This is in Ireland the gardai never shoot there's 4 cases in 20 years.
I really don't know what they were thinking that day.
The investigation is poor.
George Nkencho he had a lovely family who are fighting for justice.
Did race play a part? I believe it did.
There is plenty of violent individuals and situations far worse than George Nkencho's crime that day.

[SueSaid]

'But I pray the tide is turning.'

Yes. I hope anyone who has died as a result of police brutality is held to account. I hope this gives others families, regardless of their ethnicity, the hope for justice.

www.cato.org/blog/cops-who-killed-tony-timpa-are-unfit-serve-courts-ensure-they-keep-their-jobs

[Veterinari]

I've seen the photographs of what he did to one of the police officers trying to arrest him. She hasn't been back at work since.

She's also been prosecuted for data protection breeches so wasn't exactly in track for a stellar career www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/sheku-bayoh-police-officer-injured-5945047

Are you trying to argue that he deserved to be smothered to death @Olidocky ?
If up to 9 officers couldn't coordinate to adequately restrain a single Man without murdering him or allowing injury to themselves then their training has failed them and that should be questioned.

The incident should not be used as an attempt to justify an unlawful murder of a man with no history of violence. It's disgusting that you would try and do so.

[Lougle]

According to The Independent and the New York Times (and the Daily Mail) my logic was right about 3 charges for the same crime:

"Theoretically, these charges could see Chauvin get 75 years in prison. However, state law dictates that the convicted is sentenced only to the most severe count against them - in this case, that would be a maximum of 40-years for second-degree murder. . In this instance, Judge Cahill could opt to ignore state law, but this would be unusual." (Independent)

That's much easier to understand.

There has to be a cultural change going forward. It's just shocking that Chauvin felt justified in kneeling on someone's neck in full view of the public.

[EmeraldShamrock]

But I pray the tide is turning.
Hallelujah.
I hope so too, I'm glad there is more awareness it needs stamped out of future generations.
You only have to watch DC play no judgement the local green area behind me has dozens of DC from all different parts of the world playing happily.
It's the little things too that go unnoticed.
My niece and her friend started a beautician course all the makeup in the expensive kit was for white people, her friend queried it she is black her sister and cousins would be modelling her work.
The college was resistant and said no-one had complained before.
She wasn't complaining they changed her kit eventually.
The number of black girls who previously completed the course and there was no options for make-up they'd have had to substitute the extras silently.

[MrsMackesy]

And yet it ended like it did

Yes, and like it so often does, @Roussette

But I pray the tide is turning.

[MrsMackesy]

I agree, @maggiethecat

It's painful to think that we held our breath over a possible acquittal despite the video evidence

The relief and breath-holding wasn't, as some claim, because of fear of rioting or harm to jurors. It was because we all knew that acquittals would have been beyond wrong and like putting a giant boot into the heads of black people in particular and keeping them down - proving conclusively that black lives don't matter. Well, they do. They really do matter. I hope that Chauvin wasn't the only person like him to be learning that lesson from the verdicts. It was also essential for black people in particular to know without doubt they had been listened to and to see justice being done - if we can call it justice when Mr Floyd is dead and not with his loved ones.

[maggiethecat]

@MrsMackesy
"Thankfully Chauvin was proved wrong on this occasion and the reason for that starts firmly with the brave bystanders. But there are many more Chauvins out there as we know and many more victims of their racism, brutality and perceived omnipotence. There are many more colleagues who aid the Chauvins, abet them, stand by or turn a blind eye. The verdict is pivotal but so much still needs to change."

The relief over the verdict is justified but we have to keep looking forward. It's painful to think that we held our breath over a possible acquittal despite the video evidence.

The reality is that the case was an anomaly and there will be many cases lacking this kind of evidence and this is why policing needs to change.

[Roussette]

This was about Chauvin's decision to dominate, abuse and dehumanise a black man and his belief that he could do that in plain sight as a police officer, with the support of his colleagues, and get away with it in a racist society and system and to the extent that he murdered him

^^ This.

And what we have to bear in mind repeatedly is.... this was one man. One unarmed man.
There were 4 police officers. All armed. All with mace spray and truncheons. All with back up.
And yet it ended like it did.

Kalief Browder, that story is heartbreaking. All over a backpack. And the same with the doc on Netflix about the Central Park 5. Decades of their life in prison for no reason but racial profiling. It's called 'When they see us'.
And the Brenton Butler case 'Seven Seconds'. Heartbreaking.

[C130]

@EmeraldShamrock

Putting those murdered to the side just for a moment to think of those who were imprisoned under false evidence for being black. There is 1000's if not over million.
One of the more known ones the story of Kalief Browder.
During the documentary case you see the footage of his time at rikers Island, the violence he endures, how the police lied and left him behind, the attempted cover up.
If it wasn't for that boys determination he'd be another number.
It was truly heartbreaking to watch on netflix. I sobbed at the end for all his fight racist obstacles kept falling in his path it was useless.
It's not all lives it's very much BLM.

The documentary on Netflix called 13th, is shocking. The pervasive racism in America is a stain on the Country.

[Olidocky]

[quote Veterinari]@LemonRoses
suniscoming is victim blaming Sheku Bayoh, the British black man smothered to death by a 6 police officers in Scotland after discarding a knife he'd picked up during an MDMA psychosis, and whilst unarmed

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I've seen the photographs of what he did to one of the police officers trying to arrest him. She hasn't been back at work since.

[toffeebutterpopcorn]

And in the US ‘ex/services’ people are treated like gold. Maybe there is a bit of a god complex attitude?

[stopgap]

I’m an ex-pat in the US, and I asked my husband about general police recruitment in the US, and he told me that a large number are ex-military.

[EvilOnion]

Absolutely agree with everything in @MrsMackesy's post 👏👏

[EmeraldShamrock]

Putting those murdered to the side just for a moment to think of those who were imprisoned under false evidence for being black. There is 1000's if not over million.
One of the more known ones the story of Kalief Browder.
During the documentary case you see the footage of his time at rikers Island, the violence he endures, how the police lied and left him behind, the attempted cover up.
If it wasn't for that boys determination he'd be another number.
It was truly heartbreaking to watch on netflix. I sobbed at the end for all his fight racist obstacles kept falling in his path it was useless.
It's not all lives it's very much BLM.

[MrsMackesy]

[quote paralysedbyinertia]@MorrisZapp, I think any victim of crime is likely to be a flawed human being. People tend not to to focus on their flaws after their death, because that isn't really the point.[/quote]
Agreed. It really is not the point. And we are all flawed human beings.

[MrsMackesy]

@JaniieJones

'This was about Chauvin's decision to dominate, abuse and dehumanise'

Yes but also how was he allowed to get away with it for so long. 22 complaints in a 16 year period when the average is 5. His line managers should be held to account too, it isn't as if this was out of character.

Agreed.

[SueSaid]

Tony Timpa was killed in similar circumstances www.dallasnews.com/news/investigations/2019/07/31/you-re-gonna-kill-me-dallas-police-body-cam-footage-reveals-the-final-minutes-of-tony-timpa-s-life/


His killers didn't face justice. The way police in the US restrain those they are arresting clearly needs urgent review.

[MrsMackesy]

@MorrisZapp

My apologies, I mentioned Floyd's past crimes up thread. This was not in relation to his murder, which had absolutely no justification at all. It was in relation to his posthumous elevation to folk hero. I understand that this thread is not the place for that discussion so I won't raise it again.

posthumous elevation to folk hero

I also want to address this. I think it is to give meaning to the brutal loss of his life to his family and friends, to other black people who have directly experienced racism or have good cause to fear it, and to some decent, anti-racist white folks too. Quite understandably there is pride and comfort in 'his posthumous elevation to folk hero' when his horrific murder has - at least - brought about raised awareness and change. In a sense, Mr Floyd has given his life for this.

[SueSaid]

'This was about Chauvin's decision to dominate, abuse and dehumanise'

Yes but also how was he allowed to get away with it for so long. 22 complaints in a 16 year period when the average is 5. His line managers should be held to account too, it isn't as if this was out of character.

[Anotherlovelybitofsquirrel]

@MrsMackesy

Brilliant post. Absolutely!