The term "The Queen of England"

[DynamoKev]

In view of recent events this term has been appearing again.

My theory is that it originates from the USA - does anyone else agree or have a different view about where it started/is from?

royalcentral.co.uk/features/insight/queen-elizabeth-ii-is-not-the-queen-of-england-is-it-so-hard-to-get-it-right-138067/

Americans go the other way, too.

What I find amusing on, for example, Friends, is how they refer to a ‘British’ accent.

When Jennifer Coolidge appears on it, or Ross weirdly adopts a ‘British’ accent. What is a British accent? What is an English accent?!

@Gwenhwyfar I can’t see as how she’s any more deserving of my respect than anyone else.

@DdraigGoch by that logic, Europe won the World Cup the last 4 times, and South America the time before that.

What is a British accent? What is an English accent?!

Not sure what your point is here. These are umbrella terms surely, like "American accent". There are lots of varieties in all of these categories.

@SenecaFallsRedux

What is a British accent? What is an English accent?!

Not sure what your point is here. These are umbrella terms surely, like "American accent". There are lots of varieties in all of these categories.

Sorry 🤷🏻‍♀️ I found it amusing.

I’m not British, English, Scottish, Welsh or Northern Irish for the record, so no axe to grind. I’m from the other end of the globe. There literally is no such thing as a ‘British’ accent.

It's like saying that Joe Biden is President of Virginia.

It really isn’t.

[quote OwlBeThere]@DdraigGoch by that logic, Europe won the World Cup the last 4 times, and South America the time before that.[/quote]
Europe and South America are not sovereign states though. Out of interest, is there any other case where different parts of the same sovereign country compete separately in international sport?

You can keep them all. It's the English Royal Family after all, despite their obsession with hunting in Scotland. Not really. I'm Scottish and I want to keep the Royal Family. Fortunately you don't get to decide.

here literally is no such thing as a ‘British’ accent

Nonsense. There are hundreds of British accents, any one of which can be accurately described as a British accent. Any accent from Britain is a British accent.

@Rukaya

here literally is no such thing as a ‘British’ accent

Nonsense. There are hundreds of British accents, any one of which can be accurately described as a British accent. Any accent from Britain is a British accent.

I think they mean a generic British accent.

But can American's tell all non US accents apart? I mean can we in the UK always distinguish between Australian and New Zealand, or between US and Canadian accents?

I think they mean a generic British accent

That would be a silly thing to mean, wouldn't it?

I think there are basically 4 accents in Great Britain: Welsh, Scottish, Southern English and Northern English. With some variations within them like Scouse and Geordie.

@Rukaya

I think they mean a generic British accent

That would be a silly thing to mean, wouldn't it?

Yes it would but then some people think they don't speak with an accent. Infuriating

To someone from another country, she is called that to distinguish her from other queens. I see nothing wrong with it.

So Ross puts on some dumb-arse cockney accent that would make Dick Van Dyke cringe hard, and it’s referred to as a ‘British’ accent - because Britain and England are apparently entirely interchangeable.

So Ross puts on some dumb-arse cockney accent that would make Dick Van Dyke cringe hard, and it’s referred to as a ‘British’ accent - because Britain and England are apparently entirely interchangeable

It might surprise you to know, but most people in other countries neither know nor care about the difference.

@starrynight21

To someone from another country, she is called that to distinguish her from other queens. I see nothing wrong with it.

Don't you? It's disrespectful to Scotland. The arrogance of the English. Twas ever thus

@Rukaya

So Ross puts on some dumb-arse cockney accent that would make Dick Van Dyke cringe hard, and it’s referred to as a ‘British’ accent - because Britain and England are apparently entirely interchangeable

It might surprise you to know, but most people in other countries neither know nor care about the difference.

I’m from ‘another country’. I’m neither British, English, or American.

This is a discussion about the seeming interchangeability between England and Britain. I am commenting thus.

This is a really interesting thread, even though I really would rather not have a monarchy! (Why am I even reading it, who knows?)

If Charles outlives the Queen (of many countries), does William still become King, or does it pass to the next oldest of Queenie's children?

I think there are basically 4 accents in Great Britain: Welsh, Scottish, Southern English and Northern English. With some variations within them like Scouse and Geordie. The differences between "variations" of "southern English" accent and "northern English accent" are as great as the differences between, eg, a northern english accent and that of a Scottish person speaking English. Ditto for variations within Wales and within Scotland.

If Charles outlives the Queen (of many countries), does William still become King, or does it pass to the next oldest of Queenie's children?

Er what? If Charles outlives the Queen, Charles becomes King. If Charles died first, William would be King.

I'm Scottish and I want to keep the Royal Family. Fortunately you don't get to decide

I'm Scottish and I don't want to keep the Royal Family. Fortunately I might get a say, should we get independence.

(Does it appear equally patronising that way round? I hope so 😁)

@MereDintofPandiculation

I think there are basically 4 accents in Great Britain: Welsh, Scottish, Southern English and Northern English. With some variations within them like Scouse and Geordie. The differences between "variations" of "southern English" accent and "northern English accent" are as great as the differences between, eg, a northern english accent and that of a Scottish person speaking English. Ditto for variations within Wales and within Scotland.

Thank God for someone speaking sense

Thank God for someone speaking sense

Apparently not!

As far as English accents go: Geordie, Scouse and Yorkshire are definitely variants of northern English, and Cockney and West Country variants of southern. IMO.