to think peoples attitudes are just going to contribute to more lockdowns?

[firthy85]

ok. i have always been an advocate to get back our freedom but sensibly. went out yesterday to a local pub for a couple of hours and couldn't believe it. its a great pub lovely atmosphere and staff and has always been a child/dog friendly pub. no social distancing at all, at one point i was squished on a bench between about 5 people. kids running in and out of the pub messing about etc. i totally get that yesterday was a novelty to many people after being locked down since the beginning of november but i feel this total lack of self control is going to end badly for everyone. did you risk going out at all yesterday? aibu?

@SpnBaby1967

Let me get this straight.

You went to the pub, on the FIRST day they reopened and are now moaning that other people also decided to go to the pub.

If you were squished on a bench and felt it was unsafe why didnt you leave/get up before you were "squished" ?

Anyone would have been able to predict yesterday would be busy!

This basically

[quote GiveMeNovocain]@thebillyotea as outside asymptomatic transmission is insanely rare and I've been vaccinated I reckon I'm able to make my own risk assessments but I think it's a bit of a leap to assume I'm hopping illegally on a plane. I'm actually staying UK based all year but that's my preference. Nothing to do with Covid.[/quote]
who said you were hopping illegally? I said if the pandemic was really over and things were back to normal, we could go on a plane.

The reopening of the pubs, outdoors, does not mean it's all over just yet, does it.

The worry is people like you "making their own assessments" and ignoring all the guidelines. There's a reason why not everything is back just yet (unfortunately).

I didn’t go out because I can’t be bothered with queuing to get in to places. I can’t be arsed with crowds and can’t wait to get home generally.

Nothing to do with my personal risk at all. I’ve worked right through and I don’t worry about catching it, I simply can’t be bothered waiting about - I get frustrated.

Folk have had more than a belly full. They’ve done a fantastic job at rolling out the vaccine so people aren’t prepared to have their lives cancelled any longer, given then all the vulnerable have been offered it.

Posters are being unnecessarily obtuse and harsh on the OP.

Yes, pubs reopened, but any reasonable individual would have thought the pubs would have only taken enough booking to allow for social distancing!

Everywhere here was pre-booking only. Why would people have guessed that they would be crowded and unsafe?

Complaining that there were too many people in the pub is like complaining about traffic while sat in it. You’re part of the problem.

Could the pub have managed the social distancing and crowd management better? Absolutely sounds like it, but vote with your feet and don’t go back. Or feedback that it didn’t feel like covid safe measures were in place.

Complaining on an anon forum, after you’ve stayed for hours and quaffed several bevs doesn’t really sound like you had a massive issue with it though, so I’m confused what the point of this actual post was? To put people off going out so you’ll have more space?

People are selfish arseholes they know they should be sitting down they don’t want to don’t think the rules should apply to them and until they’re challenged will just demonstrate their freedom to not be oppressed or whatever bullshit they wanna come out with.
First picture I saw yesterday of people in the pub was people hugging and all over each other at a table no attempt at the slightest bit of distancing whatsoever no fucking surprise though.

I’m no lockdown lover but it’s pretty common sense the minute alcohol comes into the mix people will lose their minds and not give a jot about risks or otherwise.

You couldn’t have got me in a pub yesterday or in one of the newly open shops because I have a job and it was just a normal day for me and many others I don’t know why people are so keen to pat themselves on the back and say I was there.

People shouldn't be sitting more than two households to a table. However, to be fair to the pubs they are not going to survive if every table was only half full like yours was to start with. They are going to need to fill the tables outside if they can't use inside. Maybe organise to go to the pub with another household so you have a group of 5 or 6 and are not squished with strangers.

@thebillyotea

Posters are being unnecessarily obtuse and harsh on the OP.

Yes, pubs reopened, but any reasonable individual would have thought the pubs would have only taken enough booking to allow for social distancing!

Everywhere here was pre-booking only. Why would people have guessed that they would be crowded and unsafe?

At the point at which one realised they were ‘crowded and unsafe’, the only way to make them less ‘crowded’ and more ‘safe’ was for some people to leave. For some reason OP felt like that should be someone else, not her. That’s why she’s getting a hard time.

They were all doing what you were. Except you are preaching what you don’t practice.

@firthy85

i am sure some people don't read a thread in its entirety. i admitted that the thread its self sounded like i felt personally agrieved at what was happening around me and maybe i should have lenghthened the thread more to put my personal view forwards but i did state on many replies later that i enjoyed it, that whole being out and was lovely to catch up with faces i hadn't seen much of since november but. i am fully aware i have maybe contributed somewhat. i was thinking of the broader outlook on the whole what may end up happening if we totally lose our inhibitions now we can meet friends in social settings. maybe nothing, maybe we will be totally free in june, no sd, and i for one will be having one hell of a party. but it does make you wonder. that's all i meant by the thread

If you aren't part of the solution you are part of the problem.

There will be no other locldown.

Honestly, even I would be rioting if there was and I usually very much frown at riots (obviously).

I’m more shocked that they are forcing people to go to the pub when they don’t want to (why else would you complain about it) and then physically squishing people together to stop social distancing. Hoping I don’t get pulled off the street and treated this way
Unless of course you chose to go and that sat at an overcrowded table on the first day the pubs opened, when you really should have known it would be busy and then could have just chosen to leave if it was not for you. Instead you’re being a complete hypocrite. Either get on with it or stay home but don’t go and take part and then complain about others doing the same.

You didn’t have to go out. Common sense tells us everything will be busy and rules will slip.

Hope that helps.

Sounds hellish.

I do think attitudes will contribute to more lockdowns, because people seem to think, ‘We’ve had enough’ and ‘It’s gone on too long’ are magic phrases that will stop the virus being contagious. I don’t think the virus will pause in its tracks and think,’Well, maybe I’ve outstayed my welcome. Let these people return to Primark and I’ll be on my way.’ It doesn’t quite work like that.

If this wasn't a moan then you should have reworded your title. The people on that bench are allowed to be there as much as you. If people's attitudes caused further lockdowns then that includes you who didn't leave when the bench became overcrowded.

My local pub is doing table bookings only so I'd go in a flash but they are fully booked for a while.

@SchrodingersImmigrant

There will be no other locldown.

Honestly, even I would be rioting if there was and I usually very much frown at riots (obviously).

that's what people said about school closure last year

about lockdown 1

about lockdown 2 (which wasn't followed anyway, but in theory was still there)

I think the childish attitude "I don't want to, they can't make me" apart from being embarrassing, is really unhelpful. Other countries are going back on lockdown, even New Zealand has imposed short but very strict measures when needed.

At worst, knowing how stupid some people are, we are going to be put in another lockdown that will be enforced this time.

I don't find it remotely amusing. It's Easter holiday, we are stuck on a "staycation" which is the most depressing concept ever, my kids hate it, I hate it, and I have had enough of selfish people behaviour dragging on the restrictions.

You can't really blame people after restrictions for this length of time. Also, as only those with beer gardens can open, it means more people crowded into those.
Lots of people feel as if they want to support their local pub, after all this time.
I admit, however, I am waiting until it all quietens down a bit, which is what I would suggest to you.

@Armi

Sounds hellish.

I do think attitudes will contribute to more lockdowns, because people seem to think, ‘We’ve had enough’ and ‘It’s gone on too long’ are magic phrases that will stop the virus being contagious. I don’t think the virus will pause in its tracks and think,’Well, maybe I’ve outstayed my welcome. Let these people return to Primark and I’ll be on my way.’ It doesn’t quite work like that.

exactly that.

It's depressing.

I suspect the people making the rules were well aware how it was going to go with people (like the OP!) going out at the first opportunity and therefore crowding more than is ideal. They've seen it all before when other lockdown restrictions were eased.

My risk assessment: The new variants are being spotted and rooted out as they develop through the very extensive PCR testing. There are no new variants in my county. I have had two vaccinations and so unlikely to catch or pass on. Most of the other people in the pub garden will have had at least one vaccination. I will observe the rules. The people I think are not obeying the rules may well be part of a family or bubble.
I would feel quite safe. Too cold round here to go to the pub garden yet, hopefully at the weekend.

There was a section on the news featuring a couple who had gone into town and were complaining that it was crowded. Self - awareness is not strong in some people!

I thought that when I saw this pic in the news this morning. The rules are completely farcical especially the rule of 6/two households one. You will inevitably get huge groups of people going to the pub claiming to be from two households...

We do have to get back to normal at some point though, we can’t hide away forever.

Scenes of high stupidity in Soho last night. And presumably many other places. One pint and the British lose their brains. Let's hope this thing does transmit less outdoors.

It is such a worry however, I really do not think the government will start another lockdown. I think people will just die. I deliberately stayed in all yesterday because I knew it would be mental.

People were queuing for hours to get into Primark! And comparing this to VE day - really??!

I can see another lockdown happening. A close relative lives abroad. Their country opened back up a couple of months ago, everyone went back to work, bars and restaurants were open etc. Now they are back in full lockdown. They are allowed out between 6am and 9am to exercise, they can request permission to go grocery shopping twice per week. They have to carry their permission slips with them when they leave the home. Caught without it and it's arrest.