They are keeping Andrew out the way, arent they?

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On the bbc news, 3 out 4 of the queen's children wished to say something in tribute to their father...

Andrew is obviously been kept on the back burner. They must know there's only so much the less fawning of us can take.

I was driving on Friday and Edward Stourten introduced a radio programme of interviews and gave the heads up that many of the tributes were from people who had themselves died since recording.

I also think I remember reading that Margaret Thatcher had recorded her tribute to Ronald Reagan soon after her dementia diagnosis when she was still able to.

I imagine the broadcasters update and revise their compilations regularly.

Andrew should be kept out of the limelight for now. I'm sure he hates it.

@MagicSummer

Whatever Andrew has or hasn't done, remember he has just lost his father and obviously wants to be at the funeral to pay his respects. Imagine how strange it would look if all other members of the family were there, and he wasn't?

This.

Many on MN seem to support trial by media, especially for Prince Andrew. Why would he go to the US? They don't exactly encourage their citizens to come here in the interests of justice do they?

And before anyone accuses me of defending him, I'm not.

@MagicSummer

Whatever Andrew has or hasn't done, remember he has just lost his father and obviously wants to be at the funeral to pay his respects. Imagine how strange it would look if all other members of the family were there, and he wasn't?

I agree with this. ^

@stevematekatemate (in response to @ohforarainyday at 10.22 today.)

You are out of order for calling someone thick. Have a word with yourself.

This really pisses me off too. So rude and sanctimonious and fucking nasty.

It's right up there with 'you sound unhinged.'

When someone resorts to nasty personal insults, they instantly lose the argument, and quite successfully out themselves as the sub-intellectual, lowbrow, halfwit that they are.

And I'm not resorting to nasty personal insults by the way, before anyone says 'oh the irony!' I am speaking about posters in general who aim personal insults at one particular poster, like 'you sound thick,' 'you sound like a chav,' and 'you sound unhinged,' and other similar nasty comments.

I should know better than to be shocked by some of the ridiculous fawning comments re the royals on this thread.
Those trying to excuse away the actions of Prince Andrew should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves
Do you make similar excuses for other men who have been accused of using trafficked/ underaged/ coerced girls?

The royal family is on borrowed time thank god, despite the efforts of the forelock tuggers .

If Andrew has nothing to hide why hasn’t he responded to the requests from the American police ? Didn’t he say in that bbc interview that he would ‘ if asked’ . He’s been asked

I seem to remember Princess Anne being in court for driving offences, so it can happen.

My suspicion is that while PA is famous and despicable, he is but one of the smaller cogs in the Epstein circus. There will be pressure to get to the people at the epicentre and equally (actually no, not equally at all) resistance from very rich and very powerful men to protect themselves.

The rich & powerful are obviously most likely to come out on top. Prince Andrew is unlikely to be charged with anything, but will most likely spend his remaining life in the Royal broom cupboard.

Alsohuman I think the fact they all wore somber black mourning clothes is an indication that the tributes weren’t recycled from a 100th birthday tribute.

It is a grim idea , dressing up in your mourning clothes and talking about your parent in the past tense knowing that it will be shown after their death. I wonder if the DofE was allowed to view the recordings, I read somewhere that several were made in 2017.

Those trying to excuse away the actions of Prince Andrew should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves Do you make similar excuses for other men who have been accused of using trafficked/ underaged/ coerced girls?

Alleged actions. There’s a difference. Nobody that I’ve seen has tried to excuse him, simply point out that the basis for our judicial system is innocent until proved guilty. I’m much angrier about Anne Sarcoolas fleeing justice after actually killing someone.

Prince Andrew, so far guilty of associating with a convicted sex offender, but far far worse than that.. he is white and privileged.

Not to mention, refusing to cooperate with the inquiry.

US prosecutors 'officially request Prince Andrew be made available for questioning'
New York attorney said Duke of York was not cooperating with probe :
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/jeffrey-epstein-prince-andrew-us-inquiry-questioning-a9553966.html

I was driving on Friday and Edward Stourten introduced a radio programme of interviews and gave the heads up that many of the tributes were from people who had themselves died since recording.

That's really weird, isn't it? I mean, not if it was just them reflecting years/decades ago on how much they admired him and the work he was doing/had done, but actually saying how much they would miss having him in their lives, when they'd already gone years before him?!

I suppose that's just telly, though, isn't it: Christmas specials are routinely filmed in the Summer; Jools doesn't manage to get a big line-up of celebrities to give up their NYE just to sing and play with him, as it's all (even the carefully-timed countdown) been in the bag since September. I wonder what they'd do if somebody died between recording and the planned/prepared date/occasion of broadcasting.

I think that's probably one main reason why all of the Captain Tom interviews and features (even the knighthood) seemed extremely rushed: apart from the fact that he'd come to public awareness because of very specific time-limited (we hope) circumstances, everybody knew that, at his great age, every extra day that passed could be too late for living recognition and tributes. Weird to think that, as soon as he'd hit the public consciousness, the media were almost certainly working on both the living tributes and the posthumous ones at the same time.

@LakieLady

I wonder what the constitutional position would be if it came to prosecuting a member of the RF in the Crown Court?

After all, prosecutions are brought in the name of the Queen, by the Crown Prosecution Service and, for serious offences, prosecuted and defended by "her" counsel.

It would be pretty weird to see "R v HRH the Duke Of Anyoldwhere" in the lists.

Princess Anne has a criminal conviction, she owned a dangerous dog which bit several people and was prosecuted for it. She also has several speeding convictions, the Dof E should have been prosecuted for dangerous driving but it was thought not in the public interest to do so as he was presumably by then suffering from some form of dementia.

Also human
You are making a false comparison

Of course it was wrong for the driver who killed that young man to escape justice here. However the incident was public and cut and dried

The Epstein/ Andrew case is hidden in secrecy with the rich and powerful using all their advantages to frustrate the investigation .
Not helping with enquiries is clearly frustrating the investigation. Why on earth wouldn’t he help, if he is innocent ?

No-one in their right mind would fly to America to assist with inquiries. @Taketheredpill, you know that you would not do this either, so get off your high horse!

No I’m not making a false comparison @Taketheredpill. I’m completely bewildered that someone would shrug their shoulders about someone responsible for a death running away from justice, yet be so vitriolic about someone else who might have committed a lesser crime doing the same. The world’s fucked up.

Seriously greyer?
No one in their right mind ?

What are you talking about . He said on tape that he would help. He said he hadn’t been asked . He has been asked .

@Alsohuman

No I’m not making a false comparison *@Taketheredpill*. I’m completely bewildered that someone would shrug their shoulders about someone responsible for a death running away from justice, yet be so vitriolic about someone else who might have committed a lesser crime doing the same. The world’s fucked up.

I am not shrugging shoulders- if you read my post you will see that .

Clearly you are a keen royalist and are attempting to move the focus.
Good luck with that

Of course it was wrong for the driver who killed that young man to escape justice here. However the incident was public and cut and dried

What difference does that make? Regardless of whether it's cut and dried or not, she left the country after killing someone and the American government has made it clear she won't be extradited. Why should Andrew offer himself on a plate to the FBI knowing full well it doesn't work both ways.

taketheredpill when you say that thankfully the RF are on borrowed time, what would you prefer as an alternative? Looking at Presidential leaders in the world, I would imagine that would have much more potential to turn out badly. I like to have a Royal family, but would much prefer a pruned down version. Ie; only the Queen/King are subsidised by the tax payer, as they bring in more revenue than what they cost us. But all other members of the RF should be 100% self sufficient, even down to their security. That would be my ideal scenario. I’d hate us to substitute them with a President.

Clearly you are a keen royalist and are attempting to move the focus

I’m not actually. I’m just a bit of a stickler for justice.

We can start a new thread if you want to examine the debunked claim that the royals bring in more than they cost .

This is about Andrew and his behaviour and personal associations .

The vote on this thread is firmly against him so thankfully most people have the intelligence to see the situation for what it is

@Livelovebehappy

Your stance is the same as mine. There are too many expensive hangers on. I think the RF realise that, if they are to survive, it will have to be a slimmed down version. Charles is on record as stating that he will slim down the monarchy.

Webuiltthisbuffet I love spotting bushy green trees through the window in Christmas specials.

Extra points for a presenter sweating in their Christmas jumper

@Alsohuman

Clearly you are a keen royalist and are attempting to move the focus

I’m not actually. I’m just a bit of a stickler for justice.

A stickler for justice ? Where is the justice for the trafficked girls? The US police clearly feel Andrew can help with information. Andrew has not helped them.

Andrew is really case in point why there shouldn't be a monarchy - he's evaded all accountability and brings shame on the Royal household. Abolish the lot!

I saw the Lesser Spotted One gieing it laldy on the BBC tributes with his siblings yesterday - have they since edited him out?

@Alsohuman

No I’m not making a false comparison *@Taketheredpill*. I’m completely bewildered that someone would shrug their shoulders about someone responsible for a death running away from justice, yet be so vitriolic about someone else who might have committed a lesser crime doing the same. The world’s fucked up.

Agree with this. But let's not let cold hard facts get in the way of Royal family bashing. If one of them farted in public, there would be calls for them to be banished from the planet, and the whole monarchy instantly abolished.

@Taketheredpill

The royal family is on borrowed time thank god, despite the efforts of the forelock tuggers.

Yeah, that's not even remotely true. You keep believing it, if it makes you feel better though.