They are keeping Andrew out the way, arent they?

[ssd]

On the bbc news, 3 out 4 of the queen's children wished to say something in tribute to their father...

Andrew is obviously been kept on the back burner. They must know there's only so much the less fawning of us can take.

[quote Alsohuman]@forfucksakenett, my issue here is the complete over reaction to a man being asked for a comment by the press after his father’s death.

Like you, I’m disgusted by his lack of cooperation with the Epstein investigation, his apparent complete lack of any contrition or concern for the victims and his arrogance. We couldn’t agree more.

Whatever that rag, The Mail, says I sincerely hope he has to lie low for the rest of his life but I really can’t get upset about him making a few banal comments about his dad dying. He didn’t even manage that very well.[/quote]
Sigh

It isn't an overreaction. He was allowed to present himself in a sympathetic way to try and rebuild his reputation. This thread suggests that that worked.

He is accused of the statutory rape of a minor who was trafficked. Why should he use his dead father to elicit sympathy?

Your post does not make sense @alsohuman.
You say you agree Andrew should be speaking to the FBI yet you also say those angry at his attempt to speak to the nation are over reacting .

Which is it ?

The only interview he should be doing is the one with thenFBI

You say you agree Andrew should be speaking to the FBI yet you also say those angry at his attempt to speak to the nation are over reacting. Which is it ?

It’s both. None of you seem capable of holding more than one thought in your heads at once. Having read the Metro link, far from eliciting sympathy, he’s poured petrol on the fire. Why aren’t you delighted?

No, it’s not both

It’s one or the other . There were plenty of other royals there to speak to the press, it was not necessary for Andrew to speak .

You are acting as an apologist for him , whether to realise it or not. I’m starting to think you don’t fully realise it.

Think what you like @Taketheredpill. 🤷‍♀️

@Taketheredpill "What he has done is reinvigorate the anger re the FBI interview........A nod to the journalists from afar would have been enough...."

I agree entirely.
Not the brightest crayon in the packet is he.

Andrew always has a look of a mix between horror and worry on his face. I hope he's losing sleep thinking how different prison will be from grand palaces.

@Alsohuman

Think what you like *@Taketheredpill*. 🤷‍♀️

Oh dear

Run out of straws to clutch in defence of him have you?

LDom

That is not worthy of reply

What he has done is reinvigorate the anger re the FBI interview and draw attention to himself and his relationship with Epstein and Maxwell.
All at the time of his father’s death
A nod at journalists from afar would have been enough. No one forced him to speak

Totally this ^

The extreme arrogance of the man.

Just like he thought the Maitlis interview would put a lid on it.
He's deluded.

The public don't tend to like people who are friends with paedophiles, and carry on with that friendship until forced to end it.

Why aren’t you delighted?

Because there are people stupid enough to feel sorry for him that he's lost his Dad and from that, will then feel he should be given another chance.
That's why.
If he hadn't have given his thoughts to the public, this would not have arisen.
He could have thanked them for their good wishes and left it to his siblings.
But no....

@Taketheredpill

LDom

That is not worthy of reply

That’s what I thought when I apparently straw clutched.

@LDom

A young vulnerable woman who had been trafficked for the purposes of sex.

@VladmirsPoutine

Andrew always has a look of a mix between horror and worry on his face. I hope he's losing sleep thinking how different prison will be from grand palaces.

ppl are desperate to hang him aren't they, really shows what decent moral types they are. Well done you. 👏

@ssd

I didnt call him a nonce or a peodo.

Also, i think there must be a bit more to it than him putting his arm around a 17 yr old girl....although didn't he say that wasn't his arm?

Can i just ask the posters sort of sticking up for him, do you believe he being treated unfairly?

Do I think he's being treated unfairly?

I am no fan of the bloke, but yes, I do.

He hasn't been charged with anything. He's not been found guilty of anything. And he'd be mad to go to the USA. As has been said, he'd be slung prison then they'd go looking for evidence. The FBI could question him here. But haven't, maybe because the evidence just isn't there.

And whether we like it or not, the 80s were a different time.

And whether we like it or not, the 80s were a different time

Was it ever okay to procure vulnerable young women and pimp them out to wealthy men?

Whilst I respect that his father has just died & he is grieving, he is not a person fit for public office & certainly not a sufficient communicator to make ad hoc comments to camera.

The Panorama interview was a car crash in excruciatingly slow motion.
Apart from his sordid associations with Epstein & his ilk, wisely the royal family has determined that for a man of his age, experiences & training, he is not up to scratch speaking for himself (or the royal family) in public.

The thing is, for as long as I can remember which is a very long time, Andrew has always been an arrogant entitled arse. Just unattractive as a person &, for what it matters, looks like any ordinary bloke down the rugby club - he really is nothing special, nothing that lifts him or marks him out for distinction.

Life experience & the passage of time have not done much to season his shortcomings. Possibly a redeeming feature is that he takes advice, particularly from the firm’s legal team, hence the seemingly uncooperative or overly cautious stance with the FBI. If your legal advisor explained to you not to do something, would you go against their advice?

Andrew is not a patch on his late father, & I cannot fathom why he is deemed to be the Queen’s favourite child, this does seem to be an error of judgement or sentiment from a woman presented as being eminently sensible.

By contrast, Edward as a younger man seemed to be a surly strop-merchant with a lack of direction. However, he has matured into a hard working sensible man who married well & they seem to have a good marriage with a happy family.

I doubt that the Men in Grey rushed to get Andrew out on the world stage to make ad lib live comment about his father.

More likely whilst everyone was distracted by grief &/or preoccupied, Andrew slipped his ‘leash’ & minders to make a dash for the cameras. He spoke so badly (pompous, leaden phrases & cliches), he really has done himself no favours.

Great post, yes. Agree with most of it, and no idea if they rubber stamped him talking on behalf of the family or not, or he decided to of his own accord. Either way, to my mind, it is a concerted effort to rehabilitate him.

Do I think he's being treated unfairly?

I am no fan of the bloke, but yes, I do

He hasn't been charged with anything. He's not been found guilty of anything

So you think he's still a suitable representative for the royals and a suitable beneficiary of public funding?

I hope he's losing sleep thinking how different prison will be from grand palaces

Since he'll never see the inside of one - or even a courtroom in all likelihood - I'm not sure why he would?

I agree with every word of your post UniversalAunt.

Obviously the RF are in mourning, and I think the general public are fairly forgiving of "young men's mistakes" as long as they pull their socks up eventually. But Andrew's mistakes are much more serious, and he seems irredeemably blind to it all and pompous to boot (which is a large part of the problem I think. )

Yes, and his mistakes, behaviours and general fleecing of the taxpayer has gone on for decades. There's a £6.7M swiss lawsuit hanging over his head at the moment, although rumour has it that the Queen has quietly paid it off. No idea if that is true, the BP PR machine has been in overdrive keeping all this quiet.

I believe Virginia Roberts Giuffre.

While the premise of innocent until proven guilty is important and is core to our way of life, there are options - at least to the rich and powerful - to defend oneself against scurrilous accusations. PA does not appear to have done this. After an unbelievable he-doth-protest-too- much interview he has had to withdraw from public life.

Of course, he will be grieving for his father and should attend his funeral, but no, he should not be front and centre of the public ceremony. And it looks like he won't be.

I actually have no issue with him making off-the-cuff remarks to the press when asked, but the "Grandfather of the nation" comment in a year when 127,000 people have lost close family members and not been able to hold proper funerals was clumsy and in poor taste. Rather like the twit himself.