To think it’s about time all women were Ms or Mrs following this plane error

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www.theguardian.com/world/2021/apr/09/tui-plane-serious-incident-every-miss-on-board-child-weight-birmingham-majorca

The confusion caused here could have had dire consequences.

Isn’t it about time we dropped the title ‘Miss’ to differentiate between adult women and girls?

It'd be interesting to see what weight the TUI computer enters for Dr, Rev etc and whether its sexist or not....

If it was, in my case, I'd expect it might be sadly accurate as well :(

So if Tui were using Miss/Mrs to distinguish between female children and female adults...what were they doing with men?

Nope. I'm Dr and I worked hard for it!

I was always Ms before that, both as a child and an adult. That's not what was wrong with this system.

@BarbaraofSeville you said it better than me! People are when I tell them I’m 12 stone and 76Kg and I agree with you, people have no clue.

I hate 'Ms' and think it sounds daft. I am and will always be a 'Miss' thanks.

I like Ms. It’s got a nice “mind your own fucking business” ring to it

I dont think anyone is suggesting anyone should be forced to change their preference in the current generation - just that some of this confusion will hopefully age out naturally - which is why I'm asking what young women call themselves nowadays - I seem to come across mostly Ms at my work.

@bluebluezoo

No need nor justification to use Sir, Major, Doctor, Reverend or anything like that when doing online shopping or registering for a new dentist

So no need for Mrs then either? It isn’t relevant in today’s society, no one cares if you’re married or not. Neither the dentist or the person on Tesco’s checkout needs to know you’re married.

No, no need for Mrs either.

Nothing wrong with {first name}{last name} for normal day to day use.

I think Ms who be better for all adult women, why do you need to know if I'm married.

@angelofthenorth72

NRCS I am an unmarried nearly 50 something with a partner and kids, do people in that situation really still call themsleves Miss? (Outside of schools) Wouldn't that seem really weird?

Yes, they do. No, it's not.

I'm also an unmarried almost 50-something. My title is Miss. I prefer it that way. I prefer the way it sounds compared to Ms. Why should I be forced to change it just because other people don't like it/think it's archaic?

Because as a society we strive for equality? You don’t need to give it up as long as the female title becomes Miss married or not . Or men have a similar title change when they get married.

Given the propensity for married men to lie about their status this might be a better solution.

No need nor justification to use Sir, Major, Doctor, Reverend or anything like that when doing online shopping or registering for a new dentist.

Agree. John Lewis didn't used to require a 'title' for an online shop; the field was optional so I left it blank. Recently I placed an order with them and their system wouldn't accept submission without it.

If someone is going to impose its use on me, they can use 'Dr'. If it's a choice between being defined as an adjunct to a man, or in terms of my own profession and a qualification I earned independently, then as far as I'm concerned it's a no brainer.

My actual preference would be no title at all.

@BigGreen

YANBU time to remove Miss as an option!

And if a woman prefers Miss?

I agree about removing the marital status in women’s titles - it’s sexist and outdated.

I am a Dr and love that it is also gender neutral. If I wasn’t a Dr though, I would prefer to be Ms rather than Mrs for the reason I gave above.

I don't care what title people use for me. I am a Mrs, but can't get worked up about being called Ms or even Miss. I prefer that people use my first name anyway.

As an aside why do people call themselves Dr just because they have an academic qualification

Doctor was used for academics well before it was extended to physicians. It etymologically means teach(er).

Doctor fell out of favour with many academics when it become associated with quacks (there was long debate about medical professionals who hadn't earned a doctorate should continue using it then as well, but it was traditional by that point), but in more recent years there has been a push in some areas, particularly towards women and other marginalized groups, for those who've earned a doctorate to use the title more.

No need nor justification to use Sir, Major, Doctor, Reverend or anything like that when doing online shopping or registering for a new dentist. They have no place at all in "normal" life.

There is no need for any title in day-to-day life. It only started to be a thing for everyone to use one in the 19th century when it moved from professions to a class thing. We only use pronounce Miss / Ms / Mrs for women as we do (when we pronounce Mr as Mister or Master - not Mur) because Mistress - along with so many others things for women - was sexualized.

As an aside why do people call themselves Dr just because they have an academic qualification

Because PhD means that the person in question has earned that title. PhD stands for doctor of philosophy. It is a very highly regarded post graduate degree.

As an aside why do people call themselves Dr just because they have an academic qualification

Because I've earned the right to use that title.
I'm very proud of my PhD!

I'm a lot prouder of getting my doctorate than of getting married. I don't use it anyway 90% of the time, but I would NEVER use Mrs in a million years.

To me "Ms" always seems to indicate the person using it is insecure, or at least they they believe there is something inferior with one or other of the traditional titles

And you're trying to claim that it's women who use Ms who are insecure?

Some people think that Ms is for women who are living over the brush aren't married to the person they live with, or who are [clutches at pearls] DIVORCED!

Mrs Blest is my mum.
I am Ms Blest but as people would say Mrs Blest or Muzz (not Miz) Blest, I choose to use Miss Blest, but generally just introduce myself as Kirst.

Some even get that wrong and spell it Krist. FFS.

Titles just give society another tool to judge women with.

Miss- sad old bat, never found anyone to marry her. Probably has lots of cats.

Mrs- married. Life is defined by their relationship to their man and role as a mother. Generally has no life outside that, and their brain has atrophied.

Ms. Probably lesbian or one of those feminists. Hairy legs, dungarees, hates men.

Dr- has ideas above her station and should find a nice man to marry and let that brain atrophy. We don’t want these women thinking they can have careers and do stuff that doesn’t involve her relationship with a man!

@Keepingitreal14

What a stupid system and nothing to do with needing to drop the Miss/Mrs/Ms titles. Every female has a choice what to use. I like my Mrs title.

More stupid is the average weight (oh to be 69kg lol), but in addition my 14 year old son is a strapping 6ft well muscled male.

But then this also sits with the ... you can't put that case in the hold / on as hand luggage but feel free to move it between cases / wear it and then you can all step on the exactly same plane!

Surely the solution is just weigh all bags and passengers at check in? No guessing, no averages.

Exactly. And there should be a total weight allowance per adult/ child in kg for combined weight of the passenger and their luggage.

And there should be a total weight allowance per adult/ child in kg for combined weight of the passenger and their luggage.

Really? So the 4'11 people get to take more luggage/pay less than the 6' people?

What shall I do, chop my feet off?

I'd have thought they'd have based it on date of birth if they just use a weight for adults and children. They'll have that for all passengers.