The Trump wannabes are hoiking up their posturing pants whilst we wonder if Biden can achieve an FDR-style presidency (Biden-Trump Thread #127)

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We're still here.

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Oh yes, my goodness!

Verdict has been reached in Chauvin trial. Reading as early as 4.30 NY time.

I was wrong that there was going to be a hung jury.

Just heard that Across. Trying to work out what time that will be for us in UK.

9.30pm I think

@Roussette

Just heard that Across. Trying to work out what time that will be for us in UK.

9.30pm I think

Yes, 9.30 UK time. About 45 minutes from now.

I'm on the US West Coast so first I have to figure what time 4.30 is here then add 8 hrs since the UK is 8 hours ahead of 'my time'.

"Higher mathematics', indeed. lol

Haha, the tweet I saw kindly noted that it will be read in less than an hour from now.

I'll be thinking of you all, Across, whichever way the verdict goes.

I know there will be demos anyway, and I hope they remain without violence.

Yes exactly.

I've put on CNN, who are explaining the charges. They're quite complicated!

Ah someone on another thread helpfully posted a link which explains.

Breaking: Jury Reaches Verdict In Derek Chauvin Case; To Be Read Between 3:30 And 4 P.M.
minnesota.cbslocal.com/2021/04/20/derek-chauvin-jury-reaches-verdict-george-floyd-death-trial/

Chauvin faces three charges:
• Second-degree unintentional murder means causing death without intent by committing a felony.
• Second-degree manslaughter is causing death by unreasonable risk.
• Third-degree murder means causing death by an “eminently dangerous” act, showing a “depraved mind.”

Guilty on all three counts.

Guilty on all counts!

Guilty on all three accounts!

Guilty on all counts

Possibly still room for an appeal, and doubtless they will try to make something of Waters' comments.

Why, why do politicians open their gobs while trials are ongoing?

He has been convicted of murder, according to the BBC.

I am surprised, but pleased.

Bail revoked. Straight into custody.

Judge says sentencing will take place in eight weeks.

I wonder what will happen now with the three other police officers... they are accessories, their trial is not until August.

Interesting to hear Jason Johnson on MSNBC talking about not being happy with verdict, stating it's going to be viewed as one bad apple and change can not occur until complete reform is made.

I'm sure there will be plenty of appeals. It's pretty much par for the course.

I wouldn't be surprised to see an appeal based on ineffective counsel. Chauvin's lawyer was woefully inadequate. I'm not saying the verdict was wrong by any means, just that his lawyer wasn't up to snuff.

@gwenneh

Interesting to hear Jason Johnson on MSNBC talking about not being happy with verdict, stating it's going to be viewed as one bad apple and change can not occur until complete reform is made.

I think I see what he means. But I'd remind him that the longest journey begins with but a single step.

Bernie Sanders
@SenSanders
The jury's verdict delivers accountability for Derek Chauvin, but not justice for George Floyd. Real justice for him and too many others can only happen when we build a nation that fundamentally respects the human dignity of every person.

Well said by David Alllen Green

The evidence was overwhelming

But because it was a white police officer who killed a black person, nobody - nobody at all - knew which way the jury would go

And that gap - the gap between knowledge and expectation - is what systemic racism looks like

www.rawstory.com/barack-obama-derek-chauvin-verdict/

What a relief!

Sanders is right, though. I hope this is a first, or a significant one, of accoubtability.
Sadly, there were videos and brave witnesses. In many other cases will be harder to get a conviction