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The Trump wannabes are hoiking up their posturing pants whilst we wonder if Biden can achieve an FDR-style presidency (Biden-Trump Thread #127)

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TheNorthWestPawsage · 08/04/2021 07:53

We're still here.

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lionheart · 09/04/2021 08:40

This is a fascinating and overlooked part of US racial history.

Topical, of course:

www.sfgate.com/sfhistory/article/antioch-race-riot-chinatown-arson-california-16067820.php

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 09/04/2021 13:19

[quote lionheart]This is a fascinating and overlooked part of US racial history.

Topical, of course:

www.sfgate.com/sfhistory/article/antioch-race-riot-chinatown-arson-california-16067820.php[/quote]
There must have been an SF book in which this was a feature, because that's the only reason I can think of for me (British) to have been familiar with it. It seems as if I have always known that being Chinese in America had been extremely precarious for a long time.

I think it may have been touched on in Sarah Canary, but I don't think that was where I met it because that only came out in 2004-I-think.

lionheart · 09/04/2021 14:51

Maxine Hong Kingston writes about this history (especially the railroads) in China Men. She's a fantastic writer, I think.

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 09/04/2021 15:18

I'm reaching the point at which I can only bear to read very selected history-of-Quakers, because mankind has been being so horrible to each other for so long!

Elizabeth Fry is less gruelling... though what she was working against was horrendous, of course. At least she was herself full of goodwill rather than hatred and anger and xenophobia.

cricketballs3 · 09/04/2021 18:26

Can I also ask another question reUS elections (this stems from watching the View discuss party demographics and MM state that despite the lower percentage that republicans gained far more fundraising) why is fundraising such an important aspect in American politics?

lionheart · 09/04/2021 18:30

The Quakers were interesting.

I really enjoyed Deborah Cadbury's The Chocolate Wars. It has everything in it and chocolate.

~

lionheart · 09/04/2021 18:39

Sorry about that blip. Cat sat on keyboard. Smile

This is really fascinating, on voter security going back to the Gore Bush period:

threadreaderapp.com/thread/1379533252730396672.html

lionheart · 09/04/2021 19:44

edition.cnn.com/2021/04/09/politics/joe-biden-environment-guns-filibuster/index.html?utm_term=link&utm_content=2021-04-09T18%3A31%3A06&utm_source=twCNNp&utm_medium=social

'Liberals openly worried that Biden's slavish commitment to bipartisanship was a relic of a bygone era and that attempts to find Republicans who would support his policies would not only fail, but also lessen the chances of pushing progressive priorities at a moment when Democrats control all levels of political power in Washington. That Biden's incrementalism as demonstrated during his decades in the Senate -- was a uniquely bad fit for these dire times.'

AcrossthePond55 · 09/04/2021 19:52

@cricketballs3

Can I also ask another question reUS elections (this stems from watching the View discuss party demographics and MM state that despite the lower percentage that republicans gained far more fundraising) why is fundraising such an important aspect in American politics?
The simple answer is that money talks, the rest walks.

Fundraising is seen as not only cash for publicity, events, ads and the like but also as a marker of a candidate's 'popularity' and thus their chances for winning an election.

The candidate who raises the most money is seen as having the best chances because those donation dollars translate (rightly or wrongly) into people who are voting for that candidate.

lifesabitchandthenyoudie · 09/04/2021 21:53

I have to say I have always been disappointed that so much money is spent when people are going hungry, or can’t even afford the basics it takes to vote, etc. It seems highly contradictory.

TheNorthWestPawsage · 09/04/2021 22:47

It's a start.

Biden Creating Commission to Study Expanding the Supreme Court

The commission will also examine other potential changes such as term limits for justices. Progressives are pushing President Biden to add seats to balance the court’s conservative majority.
www.nytimes.com/2021/04/09/us/politics/biden-supreme-court-packing.html

...Mr. Biden, a former chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, has asserted that the system of judicial nominations is “getting out of whack,” he has declined to say whether he supports altering the size of the court or making other changes — like imposing term limits — to the current system of lifetime appointments.

It is not clear that the commission established by Mr. Biden will by itself clarify his position. Under the White House order establishing it, the commission is not set to issue specific recommendations at the end of its study — an outcome that is likely to disappoint activists.

In his executive order on Friday, the president created a 36-member commission charged with examining the history of the court, past changes to the process of nominating justices, and the potential consequences to altering the size of the nation’s highest court.

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Roussette · 10/04/2021 07:08

Talk about the Supreme Court and the oldest judge retiring... Jen Psaki pushes back on that notion but who knows...

www.politico.com/news/2021/04/09/biden-breyer-supreme-court-retirement-480599

President Joe Biden will not pressure Supreme Court Justice Stephen Breyer to retire, White House press secretary Jen Psaki said Friday, breaking with liberal activists hoping to ensure Biden and the Democrats' Senate majority get the opportunity to install Breyer's replacement.

“He believes that’s a decision Justice Breyer will make when he decides it’s time to no longer serve on the Supreme Court,” Psaki said.

Roussette · 10/04/2021 07:40

www.politicalflare.com/2021/04/new-rnc-fundraising-letter-is-going-to-infuriate-trump-and-may-represent-a-sea-change-in-the-gop/?utm_source=right-rail-latest

Of one thing we can be certain. Trump has asserted complete ownership of the Republican party, the GOP is MAGA and MAGA is the GOP, all of it orbiting Trump, who is the kingmaker, executive and chief financial officer. We know this to be the situation from Trump’s point of view because he’s told us, and we had presumed that the RNC had – at the very least acquiesced, perhaps begrudgingly.

But something might be happening inside the bowels of RW-world because the RNC just sent out a critical mailer, a fundraiser. The letter doesn’t follow the assumed narrative set forth above. RNC Chairwoman Ronna McDaniel declared the RNC to be neutral with respect to presidential candidates (as it is required by law, but that’s not stopped them from using Trump’s name and image before) and simply listed Trump as one of fifteen, in alphabetical order.

lionheart · 10/04/2021 09:00

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/nancy-pelosi-retirement-trump-b1829396.html

'House Speaker Nancy Pelosi was considering retiring until Donald Trump was elected president, according to an upcoming book.

Susan Page, a USA Today journalist and author of a new book Madam Speaker: Nancy Pelosi and the Lessons of Power, documented the House Speaker's decision.'

Anniegetyourgun · 10/04/2021 09:53

The best thing about the Supreme Court commission, IMO, is the creation of it. This is a president who appoints experts to study the ramifications before going firm on a policy. Just because he's got the power to do a thing doesn't mean it's the best thing to do, so he's making sure he's fully informed before bulling ahead. I hardly need to point out the contrast with the previous administration.

Anniegetyourgun · 10/04/2021 10:04

... I'll tell you what else, this went through my head whilst typing the above: "how long is he going to get away with it?". Depressing I know... that proper governance is something you have to fight for because so many people seemingly enjoyed the hideously improper governance. But that would explain why he's in such a hurry to push things forward. Hardly anybody expected the amount he's getting through, even his greatest supporters. He has to keep the momentum up and get as much through as possible before Mitch's mob regroup and slam the brakes on. One tactic he may have learned from the former guy (adore that expression - did Biden coin it himself?) is to throw so much at your opponents that they get dizzy just trying to keep track of it all, let alone fight it.

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 10/04/2021 12:20

"She called him at Trump Towers and he picked up. She congratulated him and told him she looked forward to working with him, and he said he did as well."

I note that nobody is claiming he said he looked forward to working with her ....

Lweji · 10/04/2021 15:13

Poor 45.
I hope the experts get it right. It's not often.

www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-return-to-social-media-doomed-to-fail-experts-2021-4

PerkingFaintly · 10/04/2021 17:15

Mm. That Business Insider article talks about former guy's social media channel not being financially successful. But if it's being funded by someone else*, it doesn't need to be.

Plus former guy's whole schtick is to get clicks by being an outrage generator. A lot of people may be bored with his over-exposure by now, I'm sure he'll manage to break through to the mainstream every now and then.

* Daddy Vladdy, Robert Mercer, or anyone else with deep pockets

DuncinToffee · 10/04/2021 21:17

“Clear the Capitol,” Vice President Mike Pence said. “We need help,” Sen. Chuck Schumer told military leaders. Those and other previously undisclosed details from the deadly riot of Jan. 6 are in a Pentagon document obtained by @AP. t.co/wLZVKpa48k

TheNorthWestPawsage · 10/04/2021 21:55

Trump’s Power Won’t Peak for Another 20 Years.
By the early 2040s, Trump-appointed chief judges will simultaneously sit atop nearly every appeals court in the country.
www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/04/trump-circuit-court-judges/618533/

The Trump presidency may be over, but the Trump era has only just begun—at least when it comes to influence over the nation’s courts. Measured solely by the number of judges he appointed, Donald Trump’s impact is staggering: 234 judges, including 54 powerful appellate judges, almost one out of every three. By comparison, President Barack Obama appointed 172 judges (30 of them appellate) in his first term, while George W. Bush managed 204 (35 appellate). But Trump will have an even greater influence than this measurement suggests. That is because his judges won’t reach the apogee of their power until the early 2040s, when Trump-appointed chief judges are on track to simultaneously sit atop nearly every appeals court in the country.

This portends a potential disaster for progressive gains in many areas of law, including voting rights and health care. The limelight typically falls on the Supreme Court for these developments, but the lower courts are where much of the action happens. In its most recent term, which ended in July, the Supreme Court issued 63 signed opinions. The Circuit Courts of Appeals, by contrast, decided or issued orders on 48,300 cases in 2020. Although the Supreme Court has the final say, and Trump’s three new justices will shape the law for decades, the large majority of appeals—more than 97 percent—will be decided by the 12 geographic circuit courts, and the 167 appellate judges who sit on them. And the individuals who wield the most influence in shaping those outcomes are the chief judges of each circuit.

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