to expect to have more disposable income than single mums claiming benefits

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i no longer know why me and dh bother, he works full time and i work part time so that i can juggle the child care.

i know of 3 single mums who stay near me who seem to have more money than i can dream of, out every weekend, always shopping and 2 of them manage to run cars.

i know the benefit system is needed by some people but it seems to be a complete joke these days, the wasters in this country are leading the life of reilly while the rest of us are left to slog our guts out to pay for there existence.

no doubt i will get flamed for this post but i have been out xmas shopping today trying to work to a budget then i stand next to these people at the school gates and hear about all the grants they are entitled to so they can buy xmas presents, one of them has even cut back the last 2 months and managed to save £800, it would take me bloody months to save that up.

ok rant over, deep down i am glad i am not one of these people and i do actually work for what i have but it still pisses me of.

Ok.

Can we please have an accurate definition of what 'The System' is, what it is intended for, and what is meant by 'abusing' The System?

because, I have an idea that the people who actually run this country, and manage this system, do not, in fact, have a mean IQ of 87. I rather think that if they wanted to 'encourage' single mothers to go to work, they would. So what we really should be asking ourselves is, why don't the government want single mothers to work?

3andnomore, so you're not saying they should be sterilised but you are saying..what? That they shouldn't have children? And how should they be stopped then?

My disgust at the post I quoted was more to do with the sheer ignorance and ill thought out opinions displayed. Ironic really.

But pensioners can't work can they so NO way to improve their lot poor buggers...while a fair old whack of people on benefits really could work if they really wanted to ???

explain to me how all these single people can 'easily' go out to work, someone.

let's see, you have no qualifications and NO childcare when your children fall ill.

and you have school holidays, too.

or you live in a rural area where employment opportunities are very limited, but you can't afford to move - deposit, moving your stuff, or that's where your family support is, etc.

and you could never afford to pass your driving test or run a car.

so what then?

there are loads of reasons why some folks don't work.

who's business is that?

ffs, get a LIFE!

Am i really a bad, bad person for wanting to bring up my kids myself? I want to make sure they get a good start to life, with better morals than most of the people i see around me. I want to make sure i am there to bring them home from school, to hear about their problems (dtds are going through problems at school due to dyslexia - which is also why their dad has no qualifications, and i do not want them to leave school with nothing) and sort them out. I want to be the one who tucks them up in a blanket on the sofa when they are ill. I want to take them out for walks in the holidays.
Why is this bad?

Is it because i can't afford a house in any area except those where you get your windows smashed on a weekly basis? I will be in that situation if i was in work, just the same as i am now.
Is it because i would rather do without these things and stay on benefits than go out to work which only seems to work out 'better financially' if you give your kids to someone else to look after.
So, i'm not allowed to want kids, and be damn good as a parent, because other people think i should not be entitled because of there own jealous attitude?

I was only on benefits for about six months, my boiler was condemned and they were mostly winter months - no heating, no hot water, 2 children under 5 and £15 a week for everything because I had a maintenance order that apparently it was up to me to enforce. and no help with the mortgage.

nobody is in that situation by choice, and nobody - young or old - should be going without such basic necessities but you don't find many voluntary services dropping off hot meals for the children of single parents and pensioners certainly don't have to battle against such mindless, stigmatising drivel as has been posted here tonight just for falling into a particular segment of society.

Or really, pensioners can't work?

Then why is my 74-year-old neighbour working?

Or my 65-year-old retired FIL?

Or my 59-year-old landlord, currently on his second career - he was retired early from a headmaster job after suffering a DVT and now working for VSO?

Is there an opening to hurl random abuse at the writer of the OP or has this been covered? (not read thread)

Ok moving too fast for me am responding to posts a good while back and I have a high IQ ....tired pregnant brain not coping but did enjoy good debate ...bed for me thank you girls was very much enjoyed

this isn't about single parents.

this is about bitter people angry that work hasn't brought them the high life and wanting to scapegoat someone for it.

too bad they chose the wrong target. the real one's actually a lot easier to spot.

Please say it's not me expat...i'll cry

Pensioners are heroes even when they are in fact brainless bigoted bastards who wouldn't give you the steam off their piss. Single mothers are gormless slags until they open their legs to prove they've had their fannies stitched shut.

Gotta go, my meal ticket just woke up.

Bectheneck, are you scared of hard work?

My objection is to the work shy who have the sexual morals of an alley cat. It does not require an IQ of 120 to know how to use a condom.

I think that doing community work, volentary work or training would improve the confidence of those who have been long term on benefits. It might also give them experience which would lead to employment and a way out the benefits trap.

If someone is not prepared to help themselves why should the state help them with handouts. The benefits system should help people to stand on their own two feet and be independent as far as possible.

Don't you think that it would give people back their dignity if they were provided with a job by the state rather than spending their life on benefits.

Last point as I log off - I work hard I love my job I love my children more I have a very good life I am happy with my lot I am not bitter or twisted...a good argument does not mean you are bitter or jealous does it on either side can't we discuss these things without it being about jealousy and anger????

hell if these people who are defrauding the system are living such lavish lifestyles then im going to give up my ft job and spend all day with my ds! ffs i dont think anyone on benefits is living the high life! Ive been there, i wasnt getting any less money than those defrauding the system, and it was effing hard.

That's true, reallytired (did you read the post i wrote after you left that?)...but they actually run a system kind of like that now. Post more in a mo.

Hell, no, Godzilla, it's a government who cares first and foremost about shareholders and governs by target with them in mind.

You know why it's really better to have a husband?

Nobody asks you, in front of your children if they all have different fathers.

expat, those single m,ums have "housebound" or workshy partners, living with them, this, of course is not claimed....so, either could happily work , but of course that would take action!
I am not saying those people have a heart of gold and would help you out when you need, but what they do is still not right!

Bec...come on you know these mums, too....surely, that have another sprog to keep them in the system...they are not necessary stupid, indeed, they possibly are clever, to do this, but they don'y have the right education or they just don't realise their potential and what tey could achieve, and for that., it's no fault of their own, that is the system holding them back or not "rewarding" them for trying to better themselfs...
would get me a low wage whatever job....

Puhleeze, there's no end to the spiteful, bitter, nasty posts on here.

By Reallytired on Fri 09-Nov-07 22:14:31
Bectheneck, are you scared of hard work?

What do you mean by this?

They do a 'Work Placement' scheme, whereby you do a job for so many weeks, to get you off your arse, but unfortunately employers have got wise to this and will basically permanently have one or several people on Work Placement, meaning they don't have to employ anyone to do that job!!!!!

Actually, decreasing the number of jobs available, and handing big fat employers nice wads of money for their back pockets, GRRRRR

Reallytired = Xenia

I don't know anyone who had a 'sprog' to 'keep them in the system'.

I know plenty who cry about Christmas.

Incidently, do you refer to your children as 'sprogs' or is it only the offspring of the workshy?

lucky, live here and get up close and personal...you will realise some people are living a pretty good life...and no theynare not earning a wage and could work...honest!