To feel extremely depressed about how Brexit is limiting the lives we once knew.

[Persiantrio]

Presumably now, if you want to go shopping in Paris on the Eurostar, you will have to declare, queue and pay customs on any clothes / goods over a given amount at the border. How crap and inconvenient is that?

Same with any holiday purchases from anywhere in the EU? Not worth it.

Also if you order anything online that happens to come from the EU and costs over over £135, you get hit with massive customs charges of about 40%. Companies like Etsy etc are taking a massive hit as a result.

How is this “taking back control?” Its so depressing and backward. The only reason nobody is kicking off about this yet is because nobody could go anywhere anyway. People don’t realise the freedoms they had and that are now gone. What a shit and insular place to live this will be.

And I don’t wait to hear any predictable ‘vaccine nationalism’ waffle either (because that has nothing whatsoever to do with what I’m asking in this instance and we could have done exactly the same within the EU anyway).

when did liberalism become an insult

It's not an insult. Some people just don't agree with its principles.

@mustlovegin

when did liberalism become an insult

It's not an insult. Some people just don't agree with its principles.

I.e. Racists, Nazis, sexists...

It’s not liberalism per se - it is the ‘liberal elite’ which is quite specific. A rather divisive and individualist movement that has abandoned the traditional working class virtues of solidarity and community in favour of identitarianism. It can be seen in the appalling attitude towards the working class that many of these Brexit discussions expose.

Food has already gone up in price and it is just going to get more and more expensive. People in the entertainment industry are losing all their work contracts as the jobs they usually have now require EU passport holders only. Such a sad backwards looking little island we are... Hopefully all the nations will leave England and rejoin. Will be easier for us to get proper legislation that benefits us through too.

Unfortunately you're completely wrong as usual. The "liberal" elite are few in number, and want the best for all. It's the "conservative" elite that want to keep the "plebs" in their place, and don't want us to benefit from any of their tax money.

And it was the "conservative" elite that drove Brexit.

Unless you consider Farage, Gove, Bannon, Grease-Smugg to be liberal?

The only 'appalling attitude to the working class' I've seen here is that insinuated by yourself, Rumpus

HannibalHayes all these labels and concepts you throw around are not as clear cut as you seem to think

@Bythemillpond If only that were true!

the fact is most British people do not possess the physical skills and mental attitude to pick flowers, its why my grandparents packed it in and why one of the few growers still left in the Tamar valley, i know, employs EU workers.

Its hard back breaking work, for little pay, unless you are v good at it, its usually paid per box.

And it was the "conservative" elite that drove Brexit

People voted. That's what drove Brexit (and no, it was not based on lies, ignorance, etc. as has been suggested a number of times to belittle the decision making abilities of the population)

@DoubleTweenQueen

The only 'appalling attitude to the working class' I've seen here is that insinuated by yourself, Rumpus

Really? Do explain.

@NoIDontWatchLoveIsland

I think OP you are missing the point. Millions of people in the UK are not affluent enough to experience much of the freedom/travel/shopping opportunities. They live in communities where being part of the EU has only brought a massive oversupply of labour and as a result, local labour markets have been undercut on wages by people willing to work a few years & live in overcrowded or poor conditions because they can take their earnings home and get a lot more for them in a cheaper European country.

Like a lot of globalisation, the better off tend to reap many of the rewards but there ARE downsides and they can be concentrated in poorer communities.

I voted against brexit but I can understand why in some parts of the country they really could not see much benefit accruing in their own communities.

Poorer communities, I live in one, benefitted hugely from EU funding. This investment is now lost as they is no way that westminster will ever replace it. Whatever lies slip from their lips.

To be honest, you are correct in one aspect. The "liberal" elite didn't properly understand the problems that the poor face.

The "conservative" elite did understand these (because they created them in the first place), and used that knowledge to weaponise those problems and create division in order to get the poor to vote against their own best interests.

It's what they have been doing to stay in their "rightful" positions for centuries...

@mustlovegin

And it was the "conservative" elite that drove Brexit

People voted. That's what drove Brexit (and no, it was not based on lies, ignorance, etc. as has been suggested a number of times to belittle the decision making abilities of the population)

Oh dear, what poverty of understanding...

People in the entertainment industry are losing all their work contracts as the jobs they usually have now require EU passport holders only

What are you talking about?

Who is losing their work contracts? Why would being in the entertainment business mean you would need an EU passport?

Are you saying those in the chorus of a West End musical needs an EU passport otherwise they can’t work?

The cast and crew of Eastenders/Emmerdale/Coronation Street now can’t work unless they have an EU passport?

jasjas1973

If only that were true

the fact is most British people do not possess the physical skills and mental attitude to pick flowers, its why my grandparents packed it in and why one of the few growers still left in the Tamar valley, i know, employs EU workers

Its hard back breaking work, for little pay, unless you are v good at it, its usually paid per box

What do you think is a lie. How would you know Brits couldn’t pick crops if you piss a load of people off before they have even tried.
I know what sort of work it is as I have done it. Unfortunately the farmers got a lot of peoples backs up by bringing in EU workers and declaring that no British person wanted the work when loads of people applied.

@mustlovegin

And it was the "conservative" elite that drove Brexit

People voted. That's what drove Brexit (and no, it was not based on lies, ignorance, etc. as has been suggested a number of times to belittle the decision making abilities of the population)

So what do you think the decision making was based on?

I don't think that people who voted Brexit were stupid but I do know that there was misinformation and a refusal to talk about certain outcomes on the premise that it amounted to 'project fear'.

So far as freedom of movement is concerned many people who would be personally affected believed 100% in British exceptionalism, e.g. that countries would be so desperate for the tourist spend that they wouldn't restrict the 90 days. These are people who own motorhomes or second properties. Some now blame these countries for failing to make Britain the exception.

We were told that they would retain Erasmus by Boris Johnson who went on to scrap it for a scheme that effectively restricts the working class/ and middle class often for having the opportunities that the wealthy can continue to enjoy, see this Guardian Article from 2020, this puts paid to any argument we weren't lied to. Admittedly this was after the referendum but the referendum didn't go into detail, why would that be I wonder? www.theguardian.com/education/2020/jan/16/boris-johnson-says-the-erasmus-scheme-isnt-under-threat-do-you-trust-him

@Bythemillpond

People in the entertainment industry are losing all their work contracts as the jobs they usually have now require EU passport holders only

What are you talking about?

Who is losing their work contracts? Why would being in the entertainment business mean you would need an EU passport?

Are you saying those in the chorus of a West End musical needs an EU passport otherwise they can’t work?

The cast and crew of Eastenders/Emmerdale/Coronation Street now can’t work unless they have an EU passport?

What about performers who work in the EU and the production teams who support them? The world doesn't revolve around the UK you know.

It affects funding as well as the right to work and produce material in the EU.

This is well documented.

variety.com/2020/film/global/brexit-deadline-european-union-uk-film-tv-1234846280/

You can then console yourself that decisions were made out of optimism, internationalism, democratic impulse and well-informed research.
Pmsl

Brexit crew are already starting threads slagging people off for ever wanting to leave this country to go on holiday. They won’t stop until we’ve turned into their mono cultural paradise of North Korea. Nobody in, nobody out unless they want to get shot.

“To be honest, you are correct in one aspect. The "liberal" elite didn't properly understand the problems that the poor face.

The "conservative" elite did understand these (because they created them in the first place), and used that knowledge to weaponise those problems and create division in order to get the poor to vote against their own best interests.

It's what they have been doing to stay in their "rightful" positions for centuries...”

Exactly Hannibal. The voice of sanity.

People in the entertainment industry are losing all their work contracts as the jobs they usually have now require EU passport holders only

What are you talking about?

A friend of mine has a set building company building TV sets for stuff like game shows, about 50% of his work is in the EU. Although based in London he's said only hiring EU passport holders from now on for ease of travel. Luckily he now has an Irish passport himself through his grandfather.

Given the massive limiting on all of our lives by Covid, lockdown and the fall out of that I think most people don't have the energy to worry about any additional impact caused by Brexit

That’s what Boris is hoping at least, shiny newapple.

Seems to be working with a fair few, if this thread is anything to go by, through I wouldn’t exactly put it down to lack of energy..,

@shinynewapple21

Given the massive limiting on all of our lives by Covid, lockdown and the fall out of that I think most people don't have the energy to worry about any additional impact caused by Brexit

I think that’s exactly the problem, to be honest. Everything is hidden as down to Covid19 and unavoidable but it’s a far deeper and harder hitting problem with a government that is very frugal with the truth.