To feel extremely depressed about how Brexit is limiting the lives we once knew.

[Persiantrio]

Presumably now, if you want to go shopping in Paris on the Eurostar, you will have to declare, queue and pay customs on any clothes / goods over a given amount at the border. How crap and inconvenient is that?

Same with any holiday purchases from anywhere in the EU? Not worth it.

Also if you order anything online that happens to come from the EU and costs over over £135, you get hit with massive customs charges of about 40%. Companies like Etsy etc are taking a massive hit as a result.

How is this “taking back control?” Its so depressing and backward. The only reason nobody is kicking off about this yet is because nobody could go anywhere anyway. People don’t realise the freedoms they had and that are now gone. What a shit and insular place to live this will be.

And I don’t wait to hear any predictable ‘vaccine nationalism’ waffle either (because that has nothing whatsoever to do with what I’m asking in this instance and we could have done exactly the same within the EU anyway).

@NoIDontWatchLoveIsland

I think OP you are missing the point. Millions of people in the UK are not affluent enough to experience much of the freedom/travel/shopping opportunities. They live in communities where being part of the EU has only brought a massive oversupply of labour and as a result, local labour markets have been undercut on wages by people willing to work a few years & live in overcrowded or poor conditions because they can take their earnings home and get a lot more for them in a cheaper European country.

Like a lot of globalisation, the better off tend to reap many of the rewards but there ARE downsides and they can be concentrated in poorer communities.

I voted against brexit but I can understand why in some parts of the country they really could not see much benefit accruing in their own communities.

Well said.

This thread is demonstrating, yet again, how out of touch the liberal elite are.

It's quite common to buy pieces on holiday such as jewellery eg diamonds in Amsterdam

Where does the money go when it’s declared (here I assume?) and will people be more likely to buy them in U.K.

I voted remain btw so not related to my vote just thinking about other impacts

Liberal Elite. Brexit buzzword Bingo. Throw in a phrase or word which might (hopefully) undermine the point and dismiss the individual(s).

Rukaya
That's not going to come close to offsetting all the jobs and industry lost. Estimated half a million jobs lost due Brexit already.

Could you verify these job losses (from your list) as 'Brexit' job losses having already taken place - the details are patchy:

27/08/2019: Fall in foreign direct investment 133,000 job losses.
Details: Other/Unknown

26/01/2018: Jaguar Land Rover 24,800 job losses Automotive Details N/A

06/08/2018 Survey of 200+ travel companies 25,000 job losses - Details N/A

City Council projection of job losses in city: 24,000
27/08/2019 Details Other Other Glasgow Scotland.

BBC News (450 jobs) is second on your list. The BBC announced its savings target for 2021 in March 2016 - three months before the referendum vote took place;

8 March 2016 - The BBC has increased its savings target by £100m to £800m a year over the next five years, blaming rapid inflation in the cost of drama and sport.

www.theguardian.com/media/2016/mar/08/bbc-increases-saving-target-to-800m-a-year-to-pay-for-drama-and-sport

So where exactly do jewellers in Britain buy their diamonds from? They don't mine them here, or if so, only in negligible amounts.

@Peregrina

So where exactly do jewellers in Britain buy their diamonds from? They don't mine them here, or if so, only in negligible amounts.

Are you suggesting the EU?

Wouldn’t it be outside this anyway?

@Clavinova

The Teesworks development is a now a free port or "free zone" - presumably why GE Renewable Energy chose the UK site instead of the French site mentioned in the article. EU rules only allow a limited type of free port.

Ah, even better! It's in a free port, so that there won't be any tax going to the UK coffers.

Brilliant!

@DoubleTweenQueen

Liberal Elite. Brexit buzzword Bingo. Throw in a phrase or word which might (hopefully) undermine the point and dismiss the individual(s).

Yep. Liberal elite, as opposed to bigoted elite, like JRM and most of the current cabinet.

What is so wrong about being liberal instead of bigoted I don’t know.

Do people prefer bigoted fuckers (elite and non) as they maybe reflect their values more? It does seem to be that way, since the word “liberal” seems to offend.

I think the thread has broadened well beyond shopping trips and you don't need to engage if it doesn't interest you.

I don't know much about freeports but I thought this article was interesting- www.wired.co.uk/article/brexit-freeports

@Peregrina

So where exactly do jewellers in Britain buy their diamonds from? They don't mine them here, or if so, only in negligible amounts.

Many come in via Antwerp and other such centres. Not many jewellers go direct to source unless you happen to be local.

Blurb

Diamond and gemstone sourcing around the world is not new to Boodles, as a 1962 newspaper interview reveals.

Globe-trotting gem searcher: Ceylon, India, Siam, Hong Kong, Hawaii, San Francisco, New York..... these were some of the places visited recently by Mr H.A. Wainwright, Managing Director of Boodle & Dunthorne, in his search for rare and valuable stones.

H.A. Wainwright was the 4th generation of the family to run Boodles. His passion for buying precious stones has passed on to his son Nicholas Wainwright and now his grandson Jody Wainwright.

Boodles Greenfire Filming
Jody Wainwright
IT STARTS WITH A SPARKLE

Greenfire
Boodles Greenfire Necklace
Boodles Director Jody Wainwright travels all over the world in search of gemstones of unparalleled quality, which not only meet Boodles exacting standards, but also possess their own unique soul.

A set of emeralds from the Muzo mine in Columbia was the subject of Channel 4's documentary 'The Million Pound Necklace: Inside Boodles', which followed the journey of these stones as they passed through our design team and workshop, finding their final home in a spectacular suite of handcrafted high jewellery inspired by the play of sunlight on leaves.

Clavinova why are you desperate to deny there have been job losses due to Brexit?

Do you deny that there is any negative impact of Brexit at all?

I'm not sure those in the business of exporting Shellfish or other fresh produce to the EU would agree with you.

Are you saying that people working in those industries and people on here who have told you they have had to make redundancies or have lost their jobs are lying?

Do you deny reports that financial industry jobs have moved to Amsterdam and Paris post Brexit to the tune of £ 170 bn? Are people making this up?

HannibalHayes
Ah, even better! It's in a free port, so that there won't be any tax going to the UK coffers.

Clearly 2,000 UK employees will be paying taxes - 2,000 people in France missed out.

Are you suggesting the EU?

I assumed that they probably came via Antwerp but then thought that wholesalers might well get them direct from South Africa. If South Africa then I assume no change in wholesale prices.

Clavinova: come back when those jobs have actually materialised and local people are earning good wages. Johnson has a big mouth which promises much but fails to deliver. This is being charitable, others see him as a bare faced liar, including the two previous employers who sacked him.

'Liberal Elite' is used very much as a way of grouping, labelling and dismissing. See also 'snowflake'.

Yes, but has anyone adequately explained what is so offensive about “liberal elite”? As opposed to the alternatives, such as the aforementioned bigoted elite, which I would imagine to be its logical antithesis.

lifeturnsonadime
Clavinova why are you desperate to deny there have been job losses due to Brexit?

I'm saying the job loss figures in that list are grossly exaggerated and I'm asking for verification.

@lifeturnsonadime

Clavinova why are you desperate to deny there have been job losses due to Brexit?

Do you deny that there is any negative impact of Brexit at all?

I'm not sure those in the business of exporting Shellfish or other fresh produce to the EU would agree with you.

Are you saying that people working in those industries and people on here who have told you they have had to make redundancies or have lost their jobs are lying?

Do you deny reports that financial industry jobs have moved to Amsterdam and Paris post Brexit to the tune of £ 170 bn? Are people making this up?

You'll get used to Cutnpasteova. It only comes on to obfuscate, never engage. It's all "nothing to see here, look there's a squirrel".

I think it's more how it is being used, and the 'elit' part suggests very much an out-of touch aloofness.
I doubt many on the thread who see the OP's point and it's wider meaning, in the context of loss of FOM, could be described as being "liberal elite'? But it's used to group all together
"This thread is demonstrating, yet again, how out of touch the liberal elite are'

@HannibalHayes lol

I found the freeports article interesting too.

I looked them up and found they are East Midlands Airport, Felixstowe and Harwich, the Humber region, the Liverpool City Region, Plymouth, Solent, Thames and Teesside . Most of these seem quite deprived areas - but deprivation as we have seen is also social and I think it will need much more investment in other areas such as education for them to be a real success.

@Clavinova

HannibalHayes Ah, even better! It's in a free port, so that there won't be any tax going to the UK coffers.

Clearly 2,000 UK employees will be paying taxes - 2,000 people in France missed out.

Oh that's OK then, taxes from 2000 jobs will clearly make up for all of the taxes from the Financial Services jobs that have gone to Paris and Amsterdam!

What a relief!

The real reason for freeports is that Rishi Sunak's father in law made his billions through freeports. He obviously thinks his family and other Tory donors can make more billions out of them.

This manufacturing website is informative - updated daily, e.g.

01 April 2021 -
£50 million rail innovation centre set to create 250 jobs.

www.mtdmfg.com/news/50-million-rail-innovation-centre-set-to-create-250-jobs/

26 March 2021 -
Babcock International, the Aerospace and Defence Company, has secured a seven-year, c. £50m contract with the Ministry of Defence for the repair and maintenance of Sea Water Systems on HM Ships and Submarines.

www.mtdmfg.com/news/babcock-awarded-50-million-sea-water-systems-contract/

25 March 2021 -
TATA Chemicals Europe has announced that it is planning to build a new £50 million plant in Winnington.

www.mtdmfg.com/news/tata-chemicals-europe-planning-to-build-new-50-million-plant-at-its-northwich-site/

25 March 2021 -
UK Space Firm Wins Largest Ever Award from Boost!

www.mtdmfg.com/news/uk-space-firm-wins-largest-ever-award-from-boost/

23 March 2021 -
British watchmaker Bremont opens new Manufacturing & Technology Centre.

www.mtdmfg.com/news/british-watchmaker-bremont-opens-new-manufacturing-technology-centre/

22 March 2021-
More than £54 million in combined government and industry funding has been committed to three innovative projects for cars, buses, heavy goods vehicles and vans across the UK, co-ordinated by the Advanced Propulsion Centre (APC).

www.mtdmfg.com/news/54-million-investment-as-uk-automotive-industry-accelerates-towards-net-zero-emissions/

Clavinova you know that the things you are linking are not a benefit of Brexit, right? There has always been UK manufacturing.

How strange that you think this is relevant or is indicative of Brexit being a benefit or in some way offsets industries and jobs lost to Brexit.