Why do we need a vaccine passport?

[Ladywinesalot]

My understanding is that the vaccine protects the persons who has had the vaccine, and that even after having the vaccine you can still transmit Covid.

So why all the cries to force everyone to take the vaccine and have the passport?

To prove that, if you catch covid, you are unlikely to need hospital treatment and threaten NHS resources.

Also there is evidence the vaccines reduce your ability to pass on the disease.

@rawlikesushi
But most people who have had Covid have never needed to visit hospital treatment so that argument is senseless.

What about all the alcoholics, smokers. obese and drug addicts who self inflict their trauma that take up NHS resources?

@Mintjulia Do you have evidence of this?

@Mintjulia first I’ve heard of that?

Your understanding is wrong. Studies are still ongoing early results are shoeing that just one does of the vaccine reduces the potential for transmission by 61% possibly more.

www.advisory.com/en/daily-briefing/2021/03/04/vaccine-transmission

www.lshtm.ac.uk/newsevents/news/2021/covid-19-vaccine-linked-reduction-transmission

A lot of people also seem to equate 'there is no evidence of x' with 'there is evidence that x doesn't happen'

[quote Ladywinesalot]@rawlikesushi
But most people who have had Covid have never needed to visit hospital treatment so that argument is senseless.

What about all the alcoholics, smokers. obese and drug addicts who self inflict their trauma that take up NHS resources?[/quote]
None of the ailments you mention have ever threatened to overwhelm the NHS, led to national lockdowns to avoid said overwhelming, or necessitated the precautionary measure of opening overspill, emergency hospitals.

Covid, despite the majority of people not needing hospital treatment, has.

The vaccine being unable to stop the spread of covid is not true. It could not be confirmed that the vaccine prevented the spread because there wasn't enough evidence to say one way or another when it first came out. Looking at evidence coming from Israel now, it seems as though (as with most vaccinations), the covid vaccine does seem to stop the spread.

We don't need vaccine passports. We just need to vaccinate as many people as possible and try to get back to normal. We can't control everything or eliminate every risk.

OP, interesting article about vaccine reducing transmissions in Nature here

I have a friend who has had covid in mid January this year. Yet, she rang me yesterday and said she is thinking of getting the vaccine, because she wants to go abroad, when permitted. I don't get half-wits like her!
Vaccines should be for elderly and people with compromised immune system. Everyone else should just get on with it, as mortaity rate is less than 1%. By vaccinating everybody, we artificially suppress natural process of virus evolution and that could bring new, powerful virus with the mortality rate of, say, 50%- what will we do then?

@JFCO

I have a friend who has had covid in mid January this year. Yet, she rang me yesterday and said she is thinking of getting the vaccine, because she wants to go abroad, when permitted. I don't get half-wits like her! Vaccines should be for elderly and people with compromised immune system. Everyone else should just get on with it, as mortaity rate is less than 1%. By vaccinating everybody, we artificially suppress natural process of virus evolution and that could bring new, powerful virus with the mortality rate of, say, 50%- what will we do then?

Yeah, just like what’s happened with measles and smallpox.

I don't care about your 1% mortality rate. I care about the rate of hospitalisation, the likelihood of being at home/off work feeling very poorly, the incidences of developing long-covid. I'm not worried about dying of flu either really, but still take my annual flu jab. Since the vaccine is safe and free, I don't really understand people who don't have it when offered.

When I got my vaccine, they gave me a card with a sticker on it that said the vaccine I got and the lot #, and the date. When I go back, they'll at a second sticker for that shot. Is that a vaccine passport, or is it something different?

"By vaccinating everybody, we artificially suppress natural process of virus evolution and that could bring new, powerful virus with the mortality rate of, say, 50%- what will we do then?"

Don't worry. That isn't how vaccines work.

If you’re vaccinated and it’s 90% effective then you have a 10% chance of catching Covid from an infected person. But you have a 0% chance of catching Covid from an uninfected person. So it makes sense to avoid the (unvaccinated) people who are most likely to be infected.

It's absurd the idea that we should all be vaccinated. People are just so scared of it, are we all going to be forced to have the flu vaccine next? And the chicken pox one?

@Mintjulia

Also there is evidence the vaccines reduce your ability to pass on the disease.

Not enough for the Govt to restore the priority they JCVI/MHRA gave to immediate household members of the CEV

They were initially to be in priority 6 for the vaccine, in December suspended until there was sufficient evidence on impact on transmission.

Still not restored, so the government and JCVI/MHRA are clearly not persuaded that the evidence re transmission is good enough yet

So it does undermine the rationale for a vaccine passport somewhat.

By vaccinating everybody, we artificially suppress natural process of virus evolution and that could bring new, powerful virus with the mortality rate of, say, 50%- what will we do then? I think you only understood about 0.001% of what the research that idea is based on actually said.

As with many others happily quoting it as a fact!

Tinydinosaur- you are aware that we have other national vaccine programmes aren’t you. Or do you think that they are all a nonsense as well?

It's absurd the idea that we should all be vaccinated. People are just so scared of it, are we all going to be forced to have the flu vaccine next? And the chicken pox one?

Flu and chicken pox don’t threaten to overwhelm the NHS. This point is so blindingly obvious I don’t really understand why you don’t get it.

oh! But to answer your question - a passport may become necessary for some in some cases. In part that depends on what happens around the world, partly on what happens here as we come out of lockdown.

The government group looking at it, for the past few months, haven't come up with a reason we should have one but have identified areas where one may be of use. That is where all the "pub landlords must check" style headlines have come from.

But there has been no real hint that the government has changed its mind on being opposed to the idea in general!

But most people who have had Covid have never needed to visit hospital treatment so that argument is senseless. Where do you live? On the moon?

Stupid bloody anti vaxx crap! STOP IT!

By vaccinating everybody, we artificially suppress natural process of virus evolution and that could bring new, powerful virus with the mortality rate of, say, 50%- what will we do then?

If you don't vaccinate then there will be more scope for mutations and the virus to develop worse variants. Suppressing it is a good thing.