Why do we need a vaccine passport?

[Ladywinesalot]

My understanding is that the vaccine protects the persons who has had the vaccine, and that even after having the vaccine you can still transmit Covid.

So why all the cries to force everyone to take the vaccine and have the passport?

Also I didn't see this outcry when countries banned HIV positive people from entering. Even those on treatment whose viral load was miniscule and we knew that the virus isn't transmitted during sex under those circumstances. Likewise people with certain communicable diseases were unfairly barred from some jobs, when transmission wouldn't happen if normal safety procedures were in place.

@Sparrowcrane, that initiative was in response to a resurgence of some diseases, which some had hot spots in immigrant populations. Vaccinations are vilified in some cultures because the local quack, preacher would lose his income and we have to find a way to encourage them. If you think that statement is offensive them look at how many health care workers were murdered when trying to stop Elboa, Zika, measles and other easily stopped viruses that kill children.

"People don't read or even try to find out what is going on."

I read plenty. It is so hard to know who to believe though. On one hand I have scientists and medical professionals, and on the other hand i have vociferous Facebookers schooled in the university of life.

[quote VickyEadieofThigh]If you want a vaccine passport, I can show you how to get one very easily.

Log on to this NHS website, follow all the instructions (you'll need to upload a photo of your passport or driving licence and let it scan your face there and then to verify your id) and once they've done all their verifications, you can access your vaccine record. On your phone if you download the app.

www.nhsapp.service.nhs.uk/login?redirect_to=index[/quote]
Depends on your doctors practice. I have that app, and the only medical records I can access are my allergies and current medications, not vaccinations.

We need a vaccine passport because someone somewhere who's a friend of the government has probably been handed a multi million pound contract to provide them. People are profiting from this pandemic and have been from the start.

I’m only going to get a vaccine passport if it’s got a blue cover. And a picture of a Union Jack.

I wish MN would shut down and ban anti-vax posters who are trying to spread misinformation and disinformation.

@JFCO

I have a friend who has had covid in mid January this year. Yet, she rang me yesterday and said she is thinking of getting the vaccine, because she wants to go abroad, when permitted. I don't get half-wits like her! Vaccines should be for elderly and people with compromised immune system. Everyone else should just get on with it, as mortaity rate is less than 1%. By vaccinating everybody, we artificially suppress natural process of virus evolution and that could bring new, powerful virus with the mortality rate of, say, 50%- what will we do then?

A 'natural process of virus evolution' would be that it becomes an infection that infects (and kills) healthy adults and children. To do what you seem to think is a good idea, you would be providing the perfect conditions for a strain that does that; a huge, human, reservoir for incubating, mutations and transmission of infection.

I used to think that what antivaxxers needed was a good old plague to sweep through the place as they'd obviously not been around when toddlers were losing arms and legs from meningitis in the 1990s, women were still losing or having severely disabled babies from Rubella in the 1980s, babies were choking to death from Whooping Cough in the 1970s, when children were dying, becoming disabled or spending their entire lives in Iron lungs as a result of Polio in the 1950s, when they were having holes cut in their throats without anaesthetic by GPs performing emergency tracheotomies for Diptheria in the 1950s. Or people dying slowly and painfully from Tuberculosis.

But, no. Even millions of deaths from something Now aren't enough for them.

We need a vaccine passport because other countries will introduce them and we won't be able to visit those countries without one. I suspect pubs etc are considering them because if they have an outbreak they're likely to get shut down .

I have spent my entire life trying to avoid the cancer than as plagued one side of our family.

My weight is low, I exercise, eat well and have basically cost the NHS nothing in my 40 years of life

You can tell me all you like that an annual vaccine every year for the next years of my life won’t trigger that cancer but until I see the evidence longer term I won’t believe anyone

So basically I am shut out of life despite the fact the vast majority of people affected covid are those who don’t look after their health.

@Ponoka7

"I am often surprised by how little common sense some posters possess."

It's like people have blindly gone through life up to now and everything about this crisis, healthcare, infectious diseases, profit, manufacturing, testing and side effects of medication and not having 100% guarantees of medical matters is all new to them.

Understanding of both scientific principles and basic biological info seems very lacking, too.

It’s fine for people not to know, but it would be better if people asked questions rather than make wildly inaccurate assumptions.

The Gvt and scientific comms have been hopeless, too, IMO.

@Roonerspismed

I have spent my entire life trying to avoid the cancer than as plagued one side of our family.

My weight is low, I exercise, eat well and have basically cost the NHS nothing in my 40 years of life

You can tell me all you like that an annual vaccine every year for the next years of my life won’t trigger that cancer but until I see the evidence longer term I won’t believe anyone

So basically I am shut out of life despite the fact the vast majority of people affected covid are those who don’t look after their health.

Would it be fair to say that you read and remember anything that mentions the possibility of cancer being exacerbated by vaccines but don't see or remember studies that state some vaccines could help prevent some cancers or have no effect.

You seem to be looking for certainties and not assessing the relative risk if each factor. Internalizing the negatives and dismissing both the neutrals and positives is not really logical.

And I say that as someone with ME/CFS who has to constantly weigh up the RR of just about everything!

Vaccine passports will help open our borders safely. The mess we are currently in started with one infected person travelling here. I think the public would support vaccine passports being a condition for entry to the UK.

Flu and chicken pox don’t threaten to overwhelm the NHS.

Except when they do.

curious to be fair yes I think I do. Although I read a lot of studies!

I suffered CFS years ago for a year and it did awaken in me an interest in my own health and yes, a cynicism in the “there is no evidence that x or y causes cancer”. Lots of studies aren’t really done.

And always at the back of my mind is generally rising rates of cancer and allergies and autoimmunity and other issues. I know it’s multifactorial but I am worried about that the multitude of vaccines now given and how the studies are done (there not being, for example, a bunch of entirely unvaccinated people).

People keep screeching “there aren’t long term effects from vaccines” but that makes no sense to me at all - how do we know? I know narcolepsy from the swine flu vaccine is mentioned a lot and is a crude example. But it was weeks later.

Same with people who allege issues after the HPV vaccine. Unless it is within days then it isn’t recorded.

I’m hugely sceptical about so called medical experts and it’s debilitating but not unfounded based own my own medical history.

I see decades of issues from thalidomide to mesh to some vaccine issues to meds and even hypothyroid women ignored or antidepressants widely given out and I just don’t really trust the overall system.!

I have no issue with a vaccine being required to go abroad if another country insists on it (or a negative test result). That is not unusual to happen even outside the pandemic.
But domestic passports, to go to the pub. Hell no. That is a slippery slope into an abyss we will never be able to climb back out of. Also, pubs can open next month (outdoors) and have punters inside in May. So if domestic vaccine passports are brought in once everyone has been offered the vaccine (and offered does not mean they will have had it... that might be another few months again), you are going to have this time when you can go to the pub with no showing of "papers" then suddenly you are barred entry unless you have them. It makes no sense to me.. and people who are shouting the loudest about wanting a passport to go to the pub, gym, supermarket etc... just plain baffle me.

"People keep screeching “there aren’t long term effects from vaccines” but that makes no sense to me at all - how do we know? I know narcolepsy from the swine flu vaccine is mentioned a lot and is a crude example. But it was weeks later."

I don't know why anyone would ever suspect long term effects from the vaccine though. Why not look up the list of ingredients, and how long they will actually be in your body, to put your mind at rest? Even if you don't trust the worldwide scientific, medical, pharmaceutical community, you could do your own research really easily.

I don't know why anyone would ever suspect long term effects from the vaccine though.
Well, if covid itself is causing long term health issues by way of the immune response to it going a bit haywire, why is it impossible to believe that our immune response to a vaccine that tells our cells to create the covid spike protein and produce an immune response not also cause long term health issues? Much in the sense that measles cause a rash, can cause blindness and also lead to meningitis, you only need to read the list of side effects of the MMR to see those same issues mentioned.

Deafness, not blindness!

I’m not an Anti-vax really, I’m just not from a science background and don’t understand a lot of how everything works!

Ppl are allowed to ask questions to understand

The covid police really are out in force...

Rooner the most exciting thing about the Pfizer vaccine isn’t that it protects against Covid but that the science behind it will create a quantum leap towards bespoke vaccination/treatment of cancer and many other diseases. Maybe even prevention of the common gene related cancers. Scientists and medics are massively excited about this technology, it is a real game changer.
I you were offered a vaccine to prevent your inherited cancer would you not leap at the chance.

@CloudFormations

It's absurd the idea that we should all be vaccinated. People are just so scared of it, are we all going to be forced to have the flu vaccine next? And the chicken pox one?

Flu and chicken pox don’t threaten to overwhelm the NHS. This point is so blindingly obvious I don’t really understand why you don’t get it.

Flu regularly threatens to overwhelm the nhs. It's why the nhs is under more strain in the winter.

Covid is not the flu - how many times does this have to be said.

It's absurd the idea that we should all be vaccinated. People are just so scared of it, are we all going to be forced to have the flu vaccine next? And the chicken pox one?

What on earth is absurd about it? When so many people have died or facing lengthy recoveries due to a highly contagious disease, isn't it understandable that people are scared of it? I don't get why some people are more scared of the vaccine than the virus, apart from a tiny minority of people who have good reason.
I paid for the flu vaccine - why risk suffering if you don't have to?

I work at a vaccine hub that is reasonably close to a big science park so have vaccinated a lot of scientists and researchers. In conversation, most are hugely excited by the future opportunities for mRNA vaccines and happy to have either mRNA or AZ to protect themselves and their families.

Let’s get vaccinated first, the passport scheme will or won’t go ahead depending on political will and is beyond our control. Protecting ourselves isn’t.

It's absurd the idea that we should all be vaccinated. People are just so scared of it,

It's not absurd. And it's not scary. Don't be ridiculous. The positive and almost 100% uptake of the vaccine so far in the UK is testament to that.