Why do we need a vaccine passport?

[Ladywinesalot]

My understanding is that the vaccine protects the persons who has had the vaccine, and that even after having the vaccine you can still transmit Covid.

So why all the cries to force everyone to take the vaccine and have the passport?

@JFCO

I have a friend who has had covid in mid January this year. Yet, she rang me yesterday and said she is thinking of getting the vaccine, because she wants to go abroad, when permitted. I don't get half-wits like her! Vaccines should be for elderly and people with compromised immune system. Everyone else should just get on with it, as mortaity rate is less than 1%. By vaccinating everybody, we artificially suppress natural process of virus evolution and that could bring new, powerful virus with the mortality rate of, say, 50%- what will we do then?

I don't think its your friend who is the half wit 🙄

@JFCO confused why is she a half wit ? If it ends up you need to be vaccinated to travel and that’s important to her then surely she doesn’t have much choice ?

Also, they've said it probably won't be until everyone has been offered the vaccine. So August. So does that mean the pubs won't open until August or that in August, people who could previously go to the pub, now can't?

@Nappyvalley15

We don't need vaccine passports. We just need to vaccinate as many people as possible and try to get back to normal. We can't control everything or eliminate every risk.

This.

@Tinydinosaur

Also, they've said it probably won't be until everyone has been offered the vaccine. So August. So does that mean the pubs won't open until August or that in August, people who could previously go to the pub, now can't?

There’s talk of two tier pubs (which in my view is daft, but whatever). One for vaccinated people with no social distancing, and the other with Covid rules in place. Rapt a guess, and it is just a guess, I’d say all pubs have to do social distancing till passports come in, then they can choose which tier to be in.

@korawick12345 what other vaccines are we required to have to go to the pub? There's a difference between being offered a vaccine, and being forced to have one.

After you’re vaccinated, your ability to pass on the virus is irrelevant. What matters is that you’re less likely to have the virus in the first place. You can’t pass on something you haven’t got.

@Tinydinosaur

It's absurd the idea that we should all be vaccinated. People are just so scared of it, are we all going to be forced to have the flu vaccine next? And the chicken pox one?

No one is saying we should all be vaccinated. What is being said is that as many that can be vaccinated, should be, in order to reduce cases as far as possible. People don’t seem to be scared of it (the vaccine) - uptake is high - but they are scared of Covid, for good reason. Many have died or have been left with long term damage after contracting the virus. No, we are not going to be forced to have the flu vaccine. Who is suggesting that? As for chicken pox, it’s recommended but not compulsory for children. The complications of chicken pox can be unpleasant, so it’s sensible to have it.

@Aposterhasnoname Christ, that sounds like something out of a Film or something

Why do vaccines stop mutations?

I don’t understand this.

Surely the reverse would happen? As it does with flu?

Just like people have the right to refuse the vaccine, businesses and countries also have the right to protect their business/country. Accept that if you choose not to be vaccinated that your world will be smaller.

By vaccinating everybody, we artificially suppress natural process of virus evolution and that could bring new, powerful virus with the mortality rate of, say, 50%- what will we do then

Vaccines do not work in the same way that anti-biotics work against bacteria, to create resistant infections like MRSA.

Please stop spreading half baked pseudo scientific theories that are effectively scaremongering against vaccination.

@Roonerspismed

Why do vaccines stop mutations?

I don’t understand this.

Surely the reverse would happen? As it does with flu?

Viruses mutate as they multiply and spread. If people aren’t catching it en masse there is less of an active pool of viruses multiplying, mutating and spreading.

@Roonerspismed

Why do vaccines stop mutations?

I don’t understand this.

Surely the reverse would happen? As it does with flu?

You need to read up on the terms causation and correlation. Then read some of the papers on vaccines and mutations, The Lancet has a few. You will see lots of the words 'could, may, variable' etc.

Put simply: if a virus mutates we can re-engineer the vaccine. The important thing is to reduce infection rates. Just get vaccinated

www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/article/PIIS2213-2600(21)00075-8/fulltext

But most people who have had Covid have never needed to visit hospital treatment so that argument is senseless.

And still hospitals were overwhelmed, and 127,000 people died in the UK. Can you really not understand ?

Various people on this thread could do with considering for a moment what's happened in Brazil. In short: unchecked virus, nasty mutation.

Jesus. This thread is deliberately full of ignorant anti-vaxxer bullshit.

Where is the proof that vaccination reduces variants?

I have no issues with vaccines generally but I like bold statement to be backed up.

In particular, partly vaccinating people could even increase variants surely?

For the vaccine sceptical we need a proper discussion and not the usual anti-vax shut down

You might be terribly mistaken in saying that your world will be bigger with the vaccine and COVID passports in contrast to those who refuse! Forced vaccination, and it is forced if your freedoms are taken away from you if you don't comply, and restrictions in human movements are violations of human rights. It's foolish to think that you will be granted more rights than those who refuse to comply because this is nothing but manipulations with our knowledge and perceptions.

The Covid vaccination is a life saver. If are offered it why wouldn’t you want to have it?
Vaccinations are why the U.K. doesn’t have polio cases.
The vaccine passport may be required if you want to travel to other countries where that country requires that you are vaccinated.

@Roonerspismed

Where is the proof that vaccination reduces variants?

I have no issues with vaccines generally but I like bold statement to be backed up.

In particular, partly vaccinating people could even increase variants surely?

For the vaccine sceptical we need a proper discussion and not the usual anti-vax shut down

Which 'bold statement'? The anti vaxx variety or the let's look at the research variety?

I gave you a link, The Lancet is not just some bloggers opinion!

I shut nothing down, I gave you what you asked for and look... here you are, still asking the same questions!

The more people across the world who are vaccinated the less opportunity for the virus to mutate.

I don't think we will, I think they're trotting this out in the press to encourage people in the next bracket who are under 50, very unlikely to be affected by the virus, but also have more access to social media and anti Vax/conspiracy messages to get the vaccine, because we need this bracket to be vaccinated and polls are showing this is the bracket that are least likely to go for it.

Wow. So much mis information on this thread. I cant believe more than one person thinks that vaccinating people will cause the virus to mutate more.

Take a look at how the events and the narrative have been unfolding since March last year up until now and where we are heading. It does not take much to to realise that things don't add up. Digital health passports is not a recent Covid provoked initiative, this was planned back at least since 2018 which makes COVID just an excuse to justify the implementation https://ec.europa.eu/health/sites/health/files/vaccination/docs/2019-2022roadmapp_en.pdf