Is anyone else sick of anti police/some of the younger generation in general?

[fizzypop19]

I'm 29 so in no means "old" but I don't know what's happened the past couple of years.

I was bought up to respect police, not break the law. Obviously I have, underage drinking etc yet I've never been in trouble with police. Twitter is full of 17-20 year olds slagging off the police for breaking up protests etc hello we are in a pandemic and I'd really like to be out of lockdown soon?

Was also bought up to not judge anyone by their skin colour, religion, sexual orientation etc I have friends who are gay, black, white, Muslim, Jewish yet none of them understand this whole she/her announce your pronouns stuff, we all just respect each others preferences/views/religions/self identification.

Is anyone else feeling sick of this or am I alone???

But never did we have 24 hrs access to echo chambers on a daily basis

I agree, it's like a self-feeding downward spiral they can't break away from. It's dangerous actually

I agree, it's like a self-feeding downward spiral they can't break away from. It's dangerous actually

I honestly think its worst than that. This is a tidal wave of insanity which is going to crash into the general population at some point.

My partner is the eldest of 3 - 22, 25 & 28

The 22 yo is lovely honestly but they are I-gen through and through. When it was 16, 19, 22 - the two eldest thought ahh the younguns and their teen ways
When it was 18, 21, 24 - they thought oh this is the rebel uni stage they will get past this
Now its 22, 25 and 28 - we just sit there thinking OMG! How! How are you so extreme/different in every world view. And they just think we are all insane and unjust and you can see they will just get upset about it. So we just have to ignore/ avoid pretty much every meaningful discussion at family dos

And this 22yo is honestly one of the good ones - 100% well meaning but just cannot see nuance or the grey in reality. So I despair

I dont trust police
Ive seen enough to know that trust would be greatly misplaced AND abused

Respect isnt given simply from a job description, its given from good actions

In aus there have been many high level and wide spread corruption issues with police over the decades, drug manufacture, murder, money laundering.
The racism is rife and its cost lives, especially in the Northern territory and Western Aus
Sexism is common. The old boys club is still a thing

The good are in the minority

It's led by the whiney middle class projecting their USA identity politcs preoccupations onto Europe again. Divisive, out of touch and not representative of everyday people

The recent demos are posh entitled kids who are upset that working class police officers had the temerity to handcuff and arrest them

@Whatisthisfuckery

The police get respect when they earn it, just like everybody else. It’s a fool who gives deference just because they are told to.

I agree. I am nearly 61 and t's only in recent years that I have had respect for the police so it is not a 'new thing' to mistrust or not like them. It's also quite normal for young people to kick against rules and regulations; the fires die down somewhat as you get older.

I’m pleased the young people and people of today have found some courage of belief because it’s been generally absent for a good number of years.

I agree the police need to earn respect. It isn’t automatic, they have a responsibility to build good community relations and have upright ethics. Internal misogyny and racism effects the provision of services and understandably effect levels of respect.

All boomers are sick of these things.

Domestic abuse in the USA police force is double that of the national average. The police are a mixed bag. I do think the police force attract employees who want to support the community and keep people safe. The police force also attracts some dysfunctional employees who get of on power.

Theres always been a small minority of the population who are violent to the police but it’s not just towards the police. These people are violent towards the general public too and are generally dangerous people in society

Saltyslug Fri 26-Mar-21 04:02:40
I’m pleased the young people and people of today have found some courage of belief because it’s been generally absent for a good number of years.
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I agree and that was particularly noticeable during the Thatcher years which started it. A general apathy regarding social issues and only looking after No 1 was the pervading attitude amongst youngsters at that time. It was quite striking. I was young myself then but didn't share those values.

I Truly hate all these protesters, unless they can manage to have fairly peaceful protests. and not destroy everything in their paths. They are not achieving anything rampaging about.and causing mayhem everywhere,

I know a fair few younger men and women,who call themselves professional protesters,and can get lots more people to join them. via social media.,and all group up,and go to any protest meet ups that are going on, anywhere in the country, they journey on trains, and coaches, along with their beer and weed etc. It doesn't matter what their agendas are with a particular protest, they just try and go to as many as they can.

I remember one protest ages ago, it got seriously out of control.,and obviously there were lots of police trying to deal with all the masses of rampaging people. there was also several police officers on horseback. and either one or two of the horses got knife stabbed.on parts of their bodies .

I respect most police officers, but I'm.not sure 'the police' are in a good place right now. They are underfunded and understaffed - and they are not universally decent.

Young people have plenty to be angry about.

Important to be aware the government have deliberately created this battle between protestors and the police, the government need a culture war. Is this situation serving any of us? No.

@PinkFlamingo888

‘Police’ did not abduct, murder and rape an innocent woman. A scumbag human being did. His occupation has absolutely nothing to do with it, just as his race, religion, sexuality or football team doesn’t.

There are scumbags in all walks of life. Unfortunately sometimes that means someone who does a job where you would expect better, turns out to be a scumbag. Yes he was a police officer, just as Harold Shipman was a doctor and some teachers are paedophiles.

Well said.

[quote tangerinelollipop]Avon & Somerset Police literally lied about officers being injured in the clashes

The police had to be taken to hospital and they suspected they had broken bones and a punctured lung (!) due to the brutality and pain they were likely in. Once in hospital - after x-rays probably- they discovered they were not indeed fractured. Do you think the police will carry mobile x-ray machines to demonstrations to ensure accuracy of reporting at the scene?

Please stop misinforming

www.itv.com/news/westcountry/2021-03-25/police-confirm-officers-did-not-suffer-broken-bones-at-bristol-protest[/quote]

Christ.

[quote tangerinelollipop]@superplumb

You and your colleagues must be going through a very difficult (undeserved) time at the moment.

These threads are usually magnets for those who want to have a go at those who they perceive to be in control. Most people are grateful that there is a police force to protect us[/quote]

Seconded

Handsomely? Have you any idea of the training I've gone through...if that was private I'd be on twice as much. Cant strike, annual leave gets cancelled rest days cancelled, 24hours shifts often, no employee rights, directed to work enforced overtime ( and we also pay tax)

@superplumb, my late DP was a payroll manager for a police force. I'm very familiar with how well rewarded they are, extra pay for overtime, bank holidays, working rest days, the very generous sick pay and pensions, and how many of them take their gold-plated pensions and return to work as a civilian straight afterwards, picking up a salary and a pension while doing the same job as they were doing the previous week, that's been "civilianised" to enable that.

If they hate the overtime that much, why did they used to boast about how much they were making when on duty at Greenham Common, Wapping and pits during the miners' strike?

I've also known them refuse to take any action when a client sent me threatening and frightening messages, and to kick off when asked to do a welfare check on a very vulnerable client with MH issues.

The casual racism and sexism is appalling (one officer referred to one of DP's staff as "that P* girl", the woman in question was 44 and from Mauritius) and if the police want the support of the public, they need to put their house in order.

@Whatisthisfuckery

The police get respect when they earn it, just like everybody else. It’s a fool who gives deference just because they are told to.

Well they often don't, that's the point. Or they see one thing on the news and proclaim all police are scum- it's cool to be anti establishment as well, of which part of that is the police. Yes the police have deep flaws which need addressing asap, but the attitude towards them often doesn't help. In the paper yesterday was someone who had been asked to move several times from in front of the police station in Bristol that had been vandalised, they then moaned when they were forcibly moved- the first few warnings evidently weren't enough.

I respected the police until a few years ago when one was an absolute, vile arse to me just because he felt like it. I honestly think he took one look at my car and assumed teenage lad, instead of the middle class, middle aged woman I am.

So you don't respect any police because of the actions of one? What's your fix then? Do we just abolish them all? Or like most people, still phone them when needed but bad mouth the rest of the time? Hopefully you complained about them though.

@LakieLady

Handsomely? Have you any idea of the training I've gone through...if that was private I'd be on twice as much. Cant strike, annual leave gets cancelled rest days cancelled, 24hours shifts often, no employee rights, directed to work enforced overtime ( and we also pay tax)

@superplumb, my late DP was a payroll manager for a police force. I'm very familiar with how well rewarded they are, extra pay for overtime, bank holidays, working rest days, the very generous sick pay and pensions, and how many of them take their gold-plated pensions and return to work as a civilian straight afterwards, picking up a salary and a pension while doing the same job as they were doing the previous week, that's been "civilianised" to enable that.

If they hate the overtime that much, why did they used to boast about how much they were making when on duty at Greenham Common, Wapping and pits during the miners' strike?

I've also known them refuse to take any action when a client sent me threatening and frightening messages, and to kick off when asked to do a welfare check on a very vulnerable client with MH issues.

The casual racism and sexism is appalling (one officer referred to one of DP's staff as "that P* girl", the woman in question was 44 and from Mauritius) and if the police want the support of the public, they need to put their house in order.

Things change, the money is pretty crap now.

I am dismayed by the attitudes of some younger people (and older people) to the police. What concerns me is how some view all the police as the same - I believe that is social media. The police are trying to do their job - they are reliable, honest and trustworthy- however their are like all walks of life the occasional police officer who unfortunately who does not fit this description. That is sadly like all professions ie nurses Beverly Allott, doctors Harold Shipman as well as examples of teachers. In all these examples the public expect high standards and we all feel betrayed when our trust is broken. I do not believe that all police are either racist or sexist in their actions - there may be some who are but given the fact it is a state body strict lines of procedure are followed when things are reported.

What concerns me is how some view all the police as the same - I believe that is social media. The police are trying to do their job - they are reliable, honest and trustworthy- however their are like all walks of life the occasional police officer who unfortunately who does not fit this description.

They are not all reliable, honest and trustworthy, and I'm unconvinced by the word 'occasional'.

The views of those who have no dealings with the police are largely imaginary anyway.

@twelly

I am dismayed by the attitudes of some younger people (and older people) to the police. What concerns me is how some view all the police as the same - I believe that is social media. The police are trying to do their job - they are reliable, honest and trustworthy- however their are like all walks of life the occasional police officer who unfortunately who does not fit this description. That is sadly like all professions ie nurses Beverly Allott, doctors Harold Shipman as well as examples of teachers. In all these examples the public expect high standards and we all feel betrayed when our trust is broken. I do not believe that all police are either racist or sexist in their actions - there may be some who are but given the fact it is a state body strict lines of procedure are followed when things are reported.

Honest, reliance, trustworthy? That's horsesh*it. Like the rest of us, they're lazy, corrupt and incompetent.

Police have an extraordinary level of power over the citizenry, and regularly (not occasionally) abuse it , and therefore should be subject to extraordinary scrutiny. Simple hey?

Funnily enough, all of the police detractors I've come across have been the kind of people who are either likely to end up in a police cell or who believe their minor inconvenience should be the police's no.1 priority

The only time I've ever been in a police cell was when I was a legal clerk seeing clients who'd been arrested. (Oh, and when being shown round a newly built police station on the day of the opening ceremony).

But I still think they police should at least go and speak to someone who has sent a series of very threatening texts to a support worker, and call round to the home of a very vulnerable young woman with MH problems when wasn't responding to phone calls or visits and her home was unsecured (front door wide open).

They were perfectly happy to check my car details and come over to ask what I was doing 25 miles from home a few weeks ago though. (I was on my way to have my Covid vaccination lol).

They rather seem to pick and choose what they want to take action about, and it seems not to be malicious communication and threats of violence or the welfare of a vulnerable adult, but a possible breach of Covid rules is worth looking into.