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SiL wants to live with us 2 months a year

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ploomo · 19/03/2021 10:26

Sorry this is so long, there's quite a lot of detail required to avoid drip-feeding.

My DH's sister is 55, my DH is 59. She worked for the police in an administrative capacity for many years and was early-retired/ made redundant (she's never told us which) at 50. She married young and had a child, but they split up by the time she was 30 and she's been on her own since then. Her son moved to Ireland years ago and has a family there. After leaving the police service she was diagnosed as being high-functioning ASD, which didn't come as a huge surprise to anyone.

When she received her redundancy/ retirement money she sold the house she'd lived in for years and bought a beautiful-looking 'lodge' on a holiday park site. It has a really stunning sea view. We could see the attraction, but not as a main home. We, and everyone else who was aware of her plan, pointed out that she wasn't allowed to live there all year round and has to vacate in January and February each year. We also pointed out that the contract stipulated that after 20 years she'd need to replace the lodge with another. The site fees add up to nearly £6000 a year and she had another decade to go before her state pension kicked in. She said she'd had years of work and compromise and for once she wanted to treat herself to something special. She said she'd done a deal with the site owner and he'd allow her to live there all year round, despite the regulations.

She moved in and it was heaven for a while but within a few months she'd fallen out with the site owner and also with several other lodge owners who'd come down at the weekends with their children who ran around and made noise. That first year she came to stay with us for new year and didn't go home till early March. DH and I both work and we're not hard-up so we just gritted our teeth and coped. DH made it clear that she needed to make alternative arrangements for the next year.

The next year she went to Australia for two months and had the holiday of a lifetime. The year after that she stayed with her son and his family in Ireland for a month and then in Air BnBs in southern Spain. The cost of all this was clearly getting out of hand and last summer she decided she needed a long-term solution and decided to buy a camper van to live in over the winter. She's spent nearly £60,000 on a brand new bespoke VW camper van done out to her own design. It's been resprayed her favourite colour, it's got leather seats in her favourite colour, the worktops are her favourite colour — but it's tiny and she needs to have an electricity supply so that she can use the microwave and the heater.

In late December she packed the stuff she'd need to get through the winter and went off in the van to park up in the yard of a friend who owns a farm. We're not sure what happened, but after a fortnight she left there and has been staying in the van outside various peoples' houses. She came to us during the cold spell in February and we ran an electric cable out to the van so she could have the heater on in it 24/7. She came in to use our loo and bathroom and washing machine each day and ended up just living with us during the day and sleeping in the van at night. It's as if Covid regulations don't exist for her. At the end of February the site owner contacted everyone who owns a lodge to say that because of Covid the site wouldn't be open until after Easter, so it looks as if she'll be around for another few weeks.

A couple of days ago she came up with a new solution to the problem. She wants us to convert our garage into a studio flat so that she can come and live here in the winter, and so that she has a fall-back in a few years if she can't afford to keep the lodge. My DH talked to her and we suspect she's blown all the money she got from the sale of the house and her savings and is now struggling.

I say she needs to get a job and work until her state pension kicks in but she won't hear that. Nor will she think of selling the camper van. We've suggested she rents out her lodge for £1000 a week from Easter to September and lives in the van and she assumed we were joking. She doesn't have visitors, it's her private paradise, she'd never dream of renting it out and she'd very offended we'd suggest it.

I realise there's nothing we can do. She's made her decisions and has to live with them. What I'd like to hear are the experiences of others with family members who live in static homes or similar situations, and those with experience of relatives who anticipate that they'll be looked after by family. Where do you draw the boundaries? My DH is worried sick about her. I think there's a strong likelihood that he'll start preparing to convert the garage and utility into a studio flat for her and I can see her ending up living with us permanently, which isn't something either of us want!

OP posts:
Zoorhik · 19/03/2021 12:57

@willibald

This is exactly the same as a narcissist I still can't see what the difference is 🤷🏼‍♀️

Autism Spectral Condition is a condition of neurodiversity, in the brain. It is not a personality disorder or a psychiatric condition. Fucking Google it! It's patently obvious what the differences are with a Google search alone. Beyond ignorant to conflate it with NPD. FFS.

🤷🏼‍♀️

Totally agree. ASD is nothing like narcissm. People can be so ignorant and judgemental.
nanbread · 19/03/2021 12:58

@C3SC

What are the key differences though, isn't a person with a psychiatric condition or a personality disorder also neurodiverse because it's all about neurones and the brain? what is the specific test that tells you it's autism rather than a psychiatric or personality disorder?
To be diagnosed with autism you will have a certain number of markers (or more) across various areas that medical experts can ascertain through a variety of tests and observations.

You can also have other conditions or disorders alongside autism.

Also read this.

neuroclastic.com/2019/05/04/its-a-spectrum-doesnt-mean-what-you-think/

JamesAnderson · 19/03/2021 13:00

@monkeysox

She can rent the camper van out Easter to Oct. She'd make loads.
There's all sorts of legislation you have to meet to rent out a camper. It's not as straight forward as taking someone's money and handing over the keys
willibald · 19/03/2021 13:01

To be diagnosed with autism you will have a certain number of markers (or more) across various areas that medical experts can ascertain through a variety of tests and observations.

You can also have other conditions or disorders alongside autism.

Yes. My son has ASC1, ADHD and OCD.

Bunnybigears · 19/03/2021 13:03

I would suggest she find a campsite thats open over winter (they do exist) and park her campervan there with electric hook up. Although I fear you are right and she can't so this because it costs her money.

Lucked · 19/03/2021 13:11

I think you have to be very straight with her that there will be no conversion and you have make sure there in no room for misinterpretation.

She should have bought something small and cheap with the £££ she spent on the campervan. Cheapest thing for her to do would be to be a lodger for two months a year and that is what I would suggest to her.

Stopping work at 50 is a pipe dream for most and it is not your responsibility to bail her out.

TheMirrorofHerDreams · 19/03/2021 13:12

Don't do it. Just don't. Trust me.

My mother did the same thing. Her split with her husband didn't net enough money to buy a similar house outright and she refused to consider a flat or somewhere smaller than she was used to.

Her lodge was absolutely beautiful and brand new. Was very plush and rather than a caravan looked like a tastefully expensive hotel suite so appealed to her. She also had the prime spot with parking and a landscaped area/garden (it genuinely was very nice)

The site closed for a month per year which she knew - but thought that she could get round the rules as it was an open secret that no one left . But weirdly just like your SIL she managed to annoy the site manager and her neighbours so they enforced the rule (they did a full shut down across the whole site, at an inconvenience to all of them, just to spite her)

The first few year she did the same. Traveled, stayed with friends. Then it got old for her and everyone else. Really old, really fast.

She got more entitled and stroppy that people need to 'help' her. she expected to stay at ours as we had a spare room - she stopped asking and just expected it. She expected to be collected and dropped off when the month started and finished. As she was still paying the land rent bills and services she moaned if she had to contribute when she stayed.

In the end everyone just refused (we got a paying lodger in that room) and she couldn't stomach paying for private accommodation for a month. She finally sold it (without a loss too as there was a boom in the local market) and got herself an ex council bungalow which though she thinks is beneath her is actually a lovely little place.

If we had continued to say yes she would still be rocking up every year for a month of moaning. Because we said no she realised she had to sort it out and finally did.

SchadenfreudePersonified · 19/03/2021 13:14

@Zancah

She'll never change. As the years go on, and she gets skinter, you'll be paying for everything. In five years time you could be feeding & clothing her and paying all sort of bills.

Put a stop to it now.

THIS ^ !!!

You'll probably get he costs of electric from her for a couple of years (unless you put in a meter - and that might cause problems if she feels your supplier is ripping her off and wants to change).

She will start to regard her money as "fun" money- so that she can have holidays and days out and little indulgences.

For what she's spent on her caravan, she could probably have had a cottage or flat in the same area, not had to one out 2 meths a year, and had some capital in her property.

I sympathise with your DH.

My DD is high-functioning ASD and has no thought for anything bit the present moment. Don't get me wrong - she's a lovely person and the kindest, most loving woman you could ever meet, but she's like the grasshopper - she lives for the summer and never imagines anything will change.

At least your SL had had a good job and is blessed with a good pension - she needs not to throw that away the way she has been doing.

WisnaeMe · 19/03/2021 13:14

You're going to allow this regardless of what we say OP, so good luck 🌺

Ofallthethings · 19/03/2021 13:14

I think it's obvious she needs to get a job now and then think about what to do about the rest of it. An income would give her more options than she has now. Would she listen to her son? Could DH and him form a united front and try and convince her to look for work? She may need support with sorting the rest of it out, as she's got ASD, rather than being told "you've made your bed so lie in it".I don't have much understanding of that condition but it obviously is going to make life more difficult. The fallings out with various people could be down to this.
If she does listen to her son I think approach him about discussing all this with her and that she needs a job to fund her lifestyle. I wouldn't be looking to build the studio flat either but I think she does need support to work through all this.

SchadenfreudePersonified · 19/03/2021 13:14

*months, not meths, and apologies for any other typos

C3SC · 19/03/2021 13:16

she won't be a lodger because no one who's not related to her will tolerate her behaviour
she knows fine well that her only chance is to make close relatives feel guilty enough to take her in and then she can get in a position where they can't throw her out because she's got nowhere else to go

SchadenfreudePersonified · 19/03/2021 13:18

Tell her the garage is your private paradise and you don't want her living in it and you're very offended she suggested it.

Grin

Nice one choc

HeadLikeAFuckinOrange · 19/03/2021 13:22

If my DH thought it was his responsibility to house DSis, I'd be making it crystal clear that he can share with her after we've split the proceeds from the house.

MessAllOver · 19/03/2021 13:22

Just say no. Offer to sit down and talk to her and work out her options, but no you don't want her living in your garage. Completely unreasonable to expect this.

TillyTopper · 19/03/2021 13:24

Absolutely no way I'd be doing what she is asking for! I don't really see why your DH is "worried sick" she is a grown woman, she has had a lot of money and hasn't been particularly wise with it - but ultimately her decision. Just don't take responsibility for her as she has to sort this out herself. You face her constantly being in your pocket - and potentially moving in full time when the next thing goes wrong and she runs out of cash completely!

Confusedandshaken · 19/03/2021 13:25

You both need to be firmer. You shouldn't let her camp in your house if you don't want her to. You had the perfect excuse that it was breaking CoVid regs and you didn't use it.

And get real - if you create an annex for her she will be there 12 months a year very soon. And then the annex will be too small so she will be under your feet all day long.

ItsAllComingBackToMeNow · 19/03/2021 13:29

I think it is really lovely of you and your husband to be so concerned for your SIL. As this thread demonstrates, many people would simply write off your SIL as demanding and narcissistic.

However, I don’t think your concern means you need to do what she asks if it doesn’t work for you too. I would be very worried that this turned into a permanent arrangement. It doesn’t sound as if it’s the money involved in renovations putting either you or your DH off the idea, so why not put aside the money you’d spend on that for a safety net for her? It might make your DH feel like he’s doing something for her, without actually having to go along with her plan. Then tell her that you want to help her and look out for her, but as long as she keeps her two expensive and impractical assets you won’t be able to commit any money to helping her further.

NeedaLittleNap · 19/03/2021 13:32

I think @BlackAmericanoNoSugar summarises it well. My son is the same - plumps for one solution to a problem and is very, very resistant to others no matter how disproportionate or inappropriate his solution is.

Since the diagnosis is relatively new, I think your DH (and possibly you) should pour your time resources into learning more about autistic brains and what makes your SIL tick. Read books, do online courses. Invest time in gaining the skills to help her in making good decisions, weighing pros and cons in terms that have meaning to HER, not what looks to others like common sense.

She needs trusted adults in her life who she can use to bounce ideas off and use for guidance. This is worth way more to her than you converting your garage or paying her electric bill. Gain the skills to be able to counsel her - invest your time in her, not your money. My autistic son can be persuaded but we use very different tactics to how we manage our NT child. You need to know about information overload, stress buckets, the way she organises information, when to push and when to back off, what sort of lists work and which ones don't.

Howshouldibehave · 19/03/2021 13:33

You’d be mad if you did this!

NeedaLittleNap · 19/03/2021 13:37

Also, I may be suggesting spending more time now but very much as an investment in her having more independence in the future, and NOT living with you.

triceratopsmama · 19/03/2021 13:41

Oh my God, there's not a hope in hell I'd have either of Dh's sisters do this.
absolutely no chance I'd convert the garage for her to move in, because that's exactly what she will do. No way. Tell her and your Dh that it is not happening. She is not your problem. Holy Moses the thoughts of having to live with my SIL's... it actually makes my blood run cold.

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 19/03/2021 13:41

Absolutely say no! As pps have said, you’ll end up responsible for everything for her!

2bazookas · 19/03/2021 13:42

So long as DH keeps enabling her unrealistic fantasies, she will keep digging herself in to deeper and deeper shit.

For her sake, he has to stop being her enabler. Refuse her demands.

Look up "tough love".

maynardgkrebs · 19/03/2021 13:43

I don't get it. She's been gainfully employed in the police force for many years, and she's been diagnosed after leaving with high functioning ASD.

And she's a poor decision maker regarding property purchases. And she's a freeloader, who hogs electricity and expects to be housed as it suits for months at a time. And she's annoyed and/or burnt out her son, and now the site owner, etc, most probably.

At 55, she could live another 40 or more years.

Yes! Move her into your house! Sounds awful. A month has been hard enough.

Where do you draw the boundaries?

You say no.

An adult, who is capable of selling and purchasing real estate, and has held down a job for many years, is responsible for their own bad decisions, I think, regardless. Your health will suffer, your lives will be affected, and you will not be thanked for any it.