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Ex wants me out

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antoinetteh · 18/03/2021 11:34

Don't want to give to much info as some friends are on here.

We split up last year after his affair texting a girl from work he moved out and rented another place. Not sure if they are still talking he doesn't say much.

We've been together for 11 years and have two DC's I've always had the same job working from my beauty room at home. He now has told me to leave and that he will give me some money to set myself up and he wants his car back.

If I leave I won't have any where to work from and I will struggle to private rent because of COVID and not working.

Whenever he comes round it turns into an argument as he wants to put the house up for sale, not sure what to do as this has been mine and the kids house for years and also my work space as well.

OP posts:
CatherineofOnandon · 18/03/2021 17:22

"Was it worth it? He texted a girl from work - and I'm not saying it wouldn't piss me off but it hardly counts as an affair - and now you're at risk of losing your home, your business, your children's home.
Taking the high moral ground is costing you very dear".

I disagree and think Op's actions show she has great strength of character and a high self worth. To suggest she let it lie , is encouraging her and anyone else in this situation to just put up with it for the sake of any personal disruption. This is not actually costing OP anything as clearly OP has had no financial benefit from this relationship as shown and , in fact, this will now lead to OP's own future financial independence and own accrued assets.

Clearly OP was not willing to continue in the relationship and the ease at which her DP moved out into his own property , shows he felt the same. They both have clearly come to the end of this relationship and appear to be working well together to make sure both they and the children, are all going to be ok longer term.
If anything the 'moral' here is to always have your own money and own funds, not turn a blind eye and put up. You DO NOT need to be married to be secure, you just need to financially secure yourself with yr own income and yr own assets. Married or not you will always have yr own assets and own money to fall back on. I say from experience. I am once divorced and then 4 yrs ago left a 15 yr relationship where we were not married. I did not want to marry again. I have 2 Dc's , worked , always had my own money, my own properties, my own choices! In fact, i came off financially worse when i got divorced yrs ago as i has more than him!! Had enough left over to rebuild my life but he benefited financially greatly from me ,having arrived with nowt. Never made that mistake again. Being married is financial suicide if you are the one with all the money and property.

Op, you will be fine. Yes, some legal /CAB advice will help you clarify in yr mind , what may be avail to you , in terms of monies , if any owing to you etc and the financial offer he is making you. In the meantime could you now look to secure any work at all to get you at least earning? In time, you could then buy a small run around car and look at doing mobile beauty when things return to normal and when kids with their dad? Longer term , when you are in yr new home and things have settled , could you look at renting space in a salon or hairdressers to return to beauty full time? Your new home may not have the space ( or if rented ) allow you to practice from home so securing alternative employment is advantageous at this point as it will finance you moving forward.

Paying bills, setting Direct Debits are all straight forward. When all agreed , the settlement he finally pays you is a platform for you to spring board yourself. This will be a great opportunity for you to build a business . On the face of it , it sounds like he recognises your situation ( he could have put you on the mortgage and the deeds but thats a diff thread ). He looks like he will be giving you a cash sum in any event to start again , which is more than some in this position have had , so if you allocate those funds wisely you have an opportunity to propel yourself onto greater things and build a business for yourself.

Finally OP, when you are all settled in yr new home and building a new business for yourself, always legally protect yr assets should you ever enter into any new relationship. Having your own money/property/legally documented financial interest in a property and income will always serve you well and give you comfortable choices. You will be fine OP and i wish you well on your new chapter.

GreenWillow · 18/03/2021 18:00

@GloriousGoosebumps

If you contributed to the deposit for the house and/or the mortgage repayments, you'll have a claim on the property. If that's the case, starting collecting evidence of those payments.
Contribution to mortgage payments is not seen as an intention to derive an interest in the property.

Private renters often pay 100% of the landlord’s mortgage, yet still don’t gain ownership of the property.

AnotherKrampus · 18/03/2021 18:06

Sorry to hear this but this is a cautionary tale to not just leave the 'adulting' to a partner and actually assume some responsibilities yourself and become more competent.

Norwaydidnthappen · 18/03/2021 18:12

Contribution to mortgage payments is not seen as an intention to derive an interest in the property.

My MIL learnt this the hard way last year when her long term partner left her. She had contributed towards his mortgage and bills for years but ultimately, she has been left with fuck all and he gets to stay in the house because it is legally his. If your name isn’t on the mortgage or you’re unmarried then you have no legal right to the house at all I’m afraid.

You will be fine. Definitely take him up on his offer, he isn’t obligated to help you out.

Alsohuman · 18/03/2021 18:16

@katy1213

Was it worth it? He texted a girl from work - and I'm not saying it wouldn't piss me off but it hardly counts as an affair - and now you're at risk of losing your home, your business, your children's home. Taking the high moral ground is costing you very dear.
That thought occurred to me too. I wonder how many unsympathetic posters here would have advised her to LTB.
CatherineofOnandon · 18/03/2021 19:12

"@Alsohuman katy1213
Was it worth it? He texted a girl from work - and I'm not saying it wouldn't piss me off but it hardly counts as an affair - and now you're at risk of losing your home, your business, your children's home.
Taking the high moral ground is costing you very dear.
That thought occurred to me too.
I wonder how many unsympathetic posters here would have advised her to LTB".

Interesting thought, I wonder how many posters with the lack of Op's bravery would have advised her to stay?

May17th · 18/03/2021 19:16

This is terrible OP. Did he call things off? How old are your children? Primary or high school.

It’s a bit cruel he is asking for his car back and chucking you out!

Cokie3 · 18/03/2021 19:51

Ugh, why do women do this? 11 years together and no commitment? One child and not married is risky on it's own, but with the second I'd demand 'he put a ring on it' (pardon the modern vernacular) for my and my children's security. Now, because you're not married, you are well and truly fucked sorry to say. You have no right to be in that house as it's his house, not yours (marriage would have changed this). You've basically left yourself and your children without any protection or security. Did you ever consider the security of your children and yourself before this? Because you've completely left your children and yourself without a home or any assets at all. So many people on here will stress to so many in your situation, it's not about being 'old-fashioned', it's about shelter and security for yourself and your children. There is a reason marriage gives so many legal protections. And people who say they 'don't need a piece of paper' unfortunately find out just how precious that piece of golden paper is in times like this, too late. I am truly not trying to victim-blame but you've really left your children and yourself so vulnerable. Unfortunately you are really stuffed here unless your local laws recognise common law relationships. Even then, if your name is not on anything, it comes back to you and the kids not being entitled to the home or car or anything. I really don't know what you can do, I unfortunately don't see how you can claim anything here, you just have to truly hope he does help you financially. Do you have any family or friends that you could temporarily move in with? If you are eligible and haven't already, register for benefits/welfare as soon as possible, like today.

willibald · 18/03/2021 20:05

So sad, nearly every day a thread from a woman whose unmarried relationship with kids has broken down and she's impoverished.

I'd take his offer and also ask if he can stand as guarantor on a rental for you and the kids.

VinterKvinna · 18/03/2021 20:14

@Cokie3

Ugh, why do women do this? 11 years together and no commitment? One child and not married is risky on it's own, but with the second I'd demand 'he put a ring on it' (pardon the modern vernacular) for my and my children's security. Now, because you're not married, you are well and truly fucked sorry to say. You have no right to be in that house as it's his house, not yours (marriage would have changed this). You've basically left yourself and your children without any protection or security. Did you ever consider the security of your children and yourself before this? Because you've completely left your children and yourself without a home or any assets at all. So many people on here will stress to so many in your situation, it's not about being 'old-fashioned', it's about shelter and security for yourself and your children. There is a reason marriage gives so many legal protections. And people who say they 'don't need a piece of paper' unfortunately find out just how precious that piece of golden paper is in times like this, too late. I am truly not trying to victim-blame but you've really left your children and yourself so vulnerable. Unfortunately you are really stuffed here unless your local laws recognise common law relationships. Even then, if your name is not on anything, it comes back to you and the kids not being entitled to the home or car or anything. I really don't know what you can do, I unfortunately don't see how you can claim anything here, you just have to truly hope he does help you financially. Do you have any family or friends that you could temporarily move in with? If you are eligible and haven't already, register for benefits/welfare as soon as possible, like today.
Because you've completely left your children and yourself without a home or any assets at all.

She's left herself without a home or assets. OP wants to have the dc with her, but no one has said they are not allowed to stay with the father.

Cokie3 · 18/03/2021 20:17

@katy1213

Was it worth it? He texted a girl from work - and I'm not saying it wouldn't piss me off but it hardly counts as an affair - and now you're at risk of losing your home, your business, your children's home. Taking the high moral ground is costing you very dear.
@katy1213 The affair is immaterial. Fact is even if she stayed with him after that, if they stayed unmarried he could have up and left at any time in those 11 years. Not much point staying if she doesn't have that marriage certificate. Staying after the affair is no guarantee of anything. At no point during those 11 years did she have any security at all. He could have thrown her and the kids out of the house at ANY time. It's like a timebomb being in that situation.

It might be different if she had control of finances and was used to paying bills etc, but from posts, she has gone straight from high school and her parents house to someone else's house and never had to face the reality of 'adulting' (for want of a better term, I hate that term - I can't think of anything else at the moment) that most of us do; saving a deposit and bond, moving out and renting your own place, paying the electricity and food bills on time each month, budgeting etc. She has completely let a man take care of all that for her and has no idea what to do so she's doubly stuffed in a way. If you have any parents/family/friends, you really need their help right now OP.

Cokie3 · 18/03/2021 20:20

@VinterKvinna That's true. Perhaps she could leave kids with the father for now until she's set up, but, would he want full temporary custody? And when she is settled he may not got them back. I really feel for her right now.

Cokie3 · 18/03/2021 20:22

*he may not give them back

Twinkie01 · 18/03/2021 20:27

FFS, was it worth it, of course for the OP it was worth it. Some people can live with being betrayed albeit not physically, some can't.

katy1213 · 18/03/2021 20:29

Well, I agree. If you want an old-fashioned life being kept by a man, you need an old-fashioned ring on your finger at the very least.
But as it's too late for that, I'm simply wondering if it was worth throwing the baby out with the bath water for the sake of a few texts.

ClarkeGriffin · 18/03/2021 20:29

You need a solicitor, but honestly like others say you're probably screwed. You're lucky he didn't kick you out last year to be honest. Why have you stayed for a whole year and done nothing about finding a different place in the mean time? Confused Did you think he'd let you live there forever for free?

Alsohuman · 18/03/2021 20:32

of course for the OP it was worth it

Was it? About to become homeless, with no workplace and no car? It seems a very, very high price to me.

Cherrysoup · 18/03/2021 22:20

Why are people saying she needs a solicitor? The law is clear, she has no claim on his property because they’re not married.

BronwenFrideswide · 18/03/2021 22:27

Why are people saying she needs a solicitor? The law is clear, she has no claim on his property because they’re not married.

Posters have pointed that out to the OP, the reason for seeking the advice of a solicitor is because there are children involved.

VinterKvinna · 18/03/2021 22:35

[quote Cokie3]@VinterKvinna That's true. Perhaps she could leave kids with the father for now until she's set up, but, would he want full temporary custody? And when she is settled he may not got them back. I really feel for her right now.[/quote]
I agree, it's a shit situation all round

Cocomarine · 18/03/2021 22:51

@Cherrysoup

Why are people saying she needs a solicitor? The law is clear, she has no claim on his property because they’re not married.
You don’t know enough to say that. Which is why a solicitor. I don’t think anyone here has said - go see a solicitor, you ARE entitled to something. But you can get an occupation order without being married - if you fulfil the relevant criteria. And you can create a beneficial interest in a property without legally owning it or being married - again, it depends on fulfilling some pretty stringent criteria, but it happens and the OP would be crazy not to check that out.
CandyLeBonBon · 18/03/2021 22:52

@Alsohuman

of course for the OP it was worth it

Was it? About to become homeless, with no workplace and no car? It seems a very, very high price to me.

Well you're absolutely entitled to set your bat as low as you like. That doesn't mean others have to stoop to meet you.
CandyLeBonBon · 18/03/2021 22:53

Bar, not bat. But you get my meaning.

Mintychocolate · 18/03/2021 22:54

So you have been paying into bills etc and have nothing to show for it? Hardly fair. Would he have the equity he has without you?

Bills2pay · 18/03/2021 22:58

Cherrysoup is right. It is possible that you can claim a beneficial interest in the house by asserting there is a either a resulting or constructive trust. You might also be able to get an occupation order (allowing you to stay in the home temporarily). These are complex areas of law. It is essential to seek legal advice ASAP,

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