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Reporting my sister to social services

173 replies

wednesdaygirl90 · 14/03/2021 20:47

My sister has two kids aged 7 and 3. She has been an excellent mother and I'm really proud of her. She has been in an abusive relationship in the past and has been through a lot. There is obviously a lot that she needs support with and, as a family, we have tried, but she gets very defensive and obviously we are not professionals, so there is only so much we can do.

Recently, she has started seeing someone new. I knew him briefly years ago, so I know a bit about his family history and there is some pretty heavy stuff. I haven't seen my family throughout the pandemic, so I haven't witnessed anything myself, but other members of my family have and what they have told me has made me feel very, very uncomfortable.

Her new boyfriend has threatened to hurt the 7 year old and has actually smacked him (hard enough to leave his hand red) and laughed when he cried. The 7 year old has expressed to others in the family that he wants the boyfriend to leave, but when my sister asks him, he says the opposite to her and she doesn't believe that he has told others that he wants him to leave. My sister has had other boyfriends and the 7 year old hasn't had anything like that about any of them. He has also had a series of bruises appear on his arms.

This man spends almost every day and night at my sister's house, and it is almost impossible for other members of the family to talk to her without him around. My mum says he's incredibly manipulative, my other sister says he refers to sister #1 as a "filthy wh*re". There are so many other examples of why I think he is a danger to my sister and her children, but these are just the standout ones right now.

It is my gut instinct that he is very, very bad news. My family have already been through a lot due to my sister's previous abusive relationship. It was very traumatic for everyone involved and the 7 year old has particularly suffered a lot. My sister obviously needs a lot of help and I think I need to report her to social services. My family are very concerned about her children being removed and taken into foster care, but I think we've done all that we can as a family and the kids are my priority. The thought of not doing anything and then them being harmed is my absolute worst nightmare. Am I being unreasonable? I don't think I am. I don't think that we, as a family, are equipped to deal with this and I know if it were me in the children's place, I would want the adults in my life to do whatever they could to make me safe. I have told my mum and other sister that if I hear of one more incident or one more piece of information that makes me feel uneasy, I am making the call.

Any advice or guidance would be much, much appreciated.

OP posts:
ApolloandDaphne · 15/03/2021 06:12

You have a duty to ensure her children are not being harmed. Please report this today. I saw this as a retired social worker who used to work in child protection. It sounds like the 7yo is being scapegoated by the new BF and at risk of serious physical and emotional harm.

Merryoldgoat · 15/03/2021 08:04

@May17th

A) the child’s hand was red - he didn’t leave a hand print on him

B) I was trying to work out if this happened in front of her or other family.

Personally I don’t care much if she’s a victim - her children have no choice here. I was asking to find out if she was in denial or if she was complicit. Because knowing, seeing, and remaining with this vile man makes her party to the abuse of her child.

DavidsSchitt · 15/03/2021 08:21

"I was asking to find out if she was in denial or if she was complicit. Because knowing, seeing, and remaining with this vile man makes her party to the abuse of her child."

Your super sleuthing makes no difference at all. She's "party to the abuse" since she invited him into their lives. The outcome is still the same, if needs reporting today.

FullofCurryandparatha · 15/03/2021 09:18

Until this moment in time, she has been an excellent mother

Has she though? She's brought them through one extremely abusive relationship. She's has multiple boyfriends since then, that the children have been put around. She is very defensive and doesn't listen to any evidence. She has moved in yet another boyfriend with a serious history and ignored the evidence of him abusing her children.

Take the blinkers off. She's not a great mother, or a good one. She's terrible.

Distiller91 · 15/03/2021 09:33

Have you reported it yet?

Stratfordplace · 15/03/2021 09:39

Is there a family member who could care for the 7 year old. He needs removing from this situation as he’s not safe.

Frazzled2207 · 15/03/2021 09:40

Hi op.
Echoing what others have said you must report this today. I think also speak to the school.

SpottyMcdotty · 15/03/2021 09:54

I would certainly report if I was confident with the stories I was being told

NewSong · 15/03/2021 09:54

Fullofcurry I agree. May she was a good mother at some point but she isn't now. She is prioritising her violent boyfriend over her children.
I keep thinking about this post and worrying about that poor boy.

I know it's not quite the same but I keep thinking about Baby P, his useless mother let her violent thug boyfriend and his friend physically abuse and kill the her son. Maybe it started off as a few slaps as well although this should never have happened. Maybe if there had been intervention early that poor boy would still be here. It really resonated with me as my child was the same age at the time. I couldn't read all the details about the case.
Sorry if this is upsetting for some and maybe people will think I'm being OTT but we have to face facts that there are people out there who do these things.

youvegottenminuteslynn · 15/03/2021 10:33

@FullofCurryandparatha

Until this moment in time, she has been an excellent mother

Has she though? She's brought them through one extremely abusive relationship. She's has multiple boyfriends since then, that the children have been put around. She is very defensive and doesn't listen to any evidence. She has moved in yet another boyfriend with a serious history and ignored the evidence of him abusing her children.

Take the blinkers off. She's not a great mother, or a good one. She's terrible.

Sorry OP but I agree with this. You obviously love your sister but there's some denial going on here because of that. She hasn't made decisions in her children's best interests, a number of times, over a prolonged period of time. She needs help and the children need protection. Hopefully you make the call today Thanks
VinterKvinna · 15/03/2021 13:34

What happened when you phoned op???

Cam2020 · 15/03/2021 13:36

Report. Your sister needs to learn to prioritise her chudkren over fucking.

wednesdaygirl90 · 15/03/2021 15:14

Update: I called social services in her area to ask for some guidance. I was told that there is not much they can do right now due to Covid and that he couldn't really help unless I had evidence of an incident (which I don't. I'm aware of an incident which I told him about, but all information is secondhand/thirdhand). He didn't ask for any contact details and he hung up very quickly.

The services in the area I live in are stellar and I can't fault them. I would not have had that response here and wouldn't have had any doubts about calling them either. Not sure what to do now.

OP posts:
UKhun · 15/03/2021 15:26

That's outrageous. So I can have someone in my home to repair my dishwasher but social services can't check on the health of a seven year old who might well be at risk.

LIZS · 15/03/2021 15:27

I would still call the school. They can look out for any signs that the dc are unhappy.

Merryoldgoat · 15/03/2021 15:28

Did you call the actual child protection number? If I were you I’d call again and ask to speak to that person’s manager.

What a poor response OP - it’s no wonder children go under the radar if they won’t even record the incidents.

If you get no luck I’d call the police (non-emergency of course).

Merryoldgoat · 15/03/2021 15:29

And I’d call school too as PP suggests.

PrimulaAuricula · 15/03/2021 15:31

I'd speak to the school. Hopefully they can keep an eye and be alert to any issues.

FullofCurryandparatha · 15/03/2021 15:34

The services in the area I live in are stellar and I can't fault them. I would not have had that response here and wouldn't have had any doubts about calling them either. Not sure what to do now

Call them and tell them what the other people said, ask if they have a protocol for inter-area reporting. Ask for advice.

Cam2020 · 15/03/2021 15:38

That's appalling! SS usually follow up any complaint, no matter how spurious. I agree with the posters saying to go to the school next. Covid is not an excuse, if anything abused children will be in an even worse position than ever with schools having been closed and SS should be even more sensitive to families being more under pressure!

AIMD · 15/03/2021 15:45

@wednesdaygirl90

Update: I called social services in her area to ask for some guidance. I was told that there is not much they can do right now due to Covid and that he couldn't really help unless I had evidence of an incident (which I don't. I'm aware of an incident which I told him about, but all information is secondhand/thirdhand). He didn't ask for any contact details and he hung up very quickly.

The services in the area I live in are stellar and I can't fault them. I would not have had that response here and wouldn't have had any doubts about calling them either. Not sure what to do now.

That response is absolutely outrageous.

Is your nephew at school or preschool?

I personally would call back social services and ask them to confirm in writing what you have told them and why they are taking no action.

Have you done a Claire’s law and or Sarah’s law application in respect of her boyfriend?

Pastnowfuture · 15/03/2021 15:45

You've done the right thing by calling and shame on that SS team for not at the very least reaching out to offer your sister support. You are probably better off ringing NSPCC. They can liase with SS. Hopefully this will encourage SS to take action but if not at least you can be 100% sure your concerns will be logged. That way if a neighbour or someone else calls with concerns a picture will start building up.

TangoWhiskyAlphaTango · 15/03/2021 15:46

What about NSPCC?

Frazzled2207 · 15/03/2021 15:50

That’s outrageous I think def get in touch with school safeguarding lead

youvegottenminuteslynn · 15/03/2021 16:00

Please, please call his school so the designated safeguarding lead is aware of this. As soon as possible. That poor little boy.