To be angry at the frenzy caused by others last night

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I think it was utterly disrespectful. We are in lockdown and it was not the right time for a protest. I agree with a quiet, respectful, socially distanced space to grieve - which is what appeared to happen during the day.

Look at the state of it!

...read the comments underneath from feminists

Yes those statistics are terrifying.

Thank you, and thank Sisters Uncut for bringing the scale of police brutality. I had no idea it was so bad.

...that list is of violent dangerous offenders, including men. Who have tortured, raped and killed, victims including children. They have posted their own condemnation. They are sick in the head actually, they must be and that post is still there. Read the comments underneath for the truth

Um, you posted a screencap, not a link.

Did you mean to post a link instead?

There are no comments visible in the photo you posted.

Personally I don't think anyone should be murdered by police, and the UK does not have the death penalty. I really don't think "Sisters Uncut are sick in the head because they oppose police taking the law into their own hands and beating prisoners to death" is a winning argument.

Oh and I'm not familiar with that list, but there's a list floating around on a Mumsnet thread somewhere of some of the black people who have been killed by police or in police custody and none of them were child rapists or murderers. Three were shoplifters or suspected shoplifters, one was a woman married to a Brit who was arrested due to having made an error in her visa paperwork, and one was a woman arrested after punching a man who was in the process of raping her. But please continue defending police brutality and attacking women.

Um, you posted a screencap, not a link.

Did you mean to post a link instead?

I've been trying to post the link for the last 10 minutes. Though you could just google Twitter sisters uncut. It's the top result. I'm amazed that it's still there TBH

There are no comments visible in the photo you posted.

No but there are on Twitter.

Personally I don't think anyone should be murdered by police, and the UK does not have the death penalty.

They were NOT murdered. They died of natural causes or suicide.

I really don't think "Sisters Uncut are sick in the head because they oppose police taking the law into their own hands and beating prisoners to death" is a winning argument.

They are lying. They were not beaten to death. The information is easily accessible

Its insulting to women that they think we would just automatically believe this shit and not know about these cases anyway.

They committed extremely serious crimes against women and children and some are men or at least they were when convicted.

I was a bit uncomfortable as it didn’t look like there was social distancing etc. It does seem the police dealt with it badly but that doesn’t mean it was ok in Covid times.

Well I don't know anything about Sisters Uncut list, since I have no interest in doing your work for you, but I looked up the partial list of black people who have died in custody and it contains gems like these:

Sarah Reed was a biracial woman died while on remand in Holloway. A couple of years earlier she'd been attacked and beaten by a white police officer, who faked a shoplifting charge against her and was later convicted of false arrest and assault, and kicked out of the police force. The police officer who attacked her beat her so badly he broke two of her ribs. The attack caused her lasting mental health problems, she was admitted to a psychiatric hospital, where she punched a male patient who she claimed had been in the process of raping her. She was placed on remand and moved to Holloway, where she died after being denied access to her medication.

Joy Gardner was a middle aged black Jamaican woman who was suffocated to death by police in Crouch End, who had come to arrest her for visa issues (Joy was married to a British man and her parents were British residents but her own British residency had not yet come through), including police wrapping 13 FEET of duct tape around her face in order to gag her. Three police officers stood trial for manslaughter.

Both Joy and Sarah were natal women, btw, not transwomen.

Tell me again how police brutality doesn't exist.

twitter.com/SistersUncut/status/1371163308997361666

Tell me again how police brutality doesn't exist.

I haven't said it doesn't exist, especially years ago. I remember it myself

Don't put words in my mouth

I said it didn't happen at this protest

I said it didn't happen at this protest

Were you even watching the same footage

I said it didn't happen at this protest

You were hundreds of miles away.

Women who were there said it did.

How could you possibly know whether it did or did not happen, when you were not there? It's very strange to confidently state that women are lying about their own personal experience, over an event you didn't see or have any involvement in at all.

twitter.com/SistersUncut/status/1371163308997361666

The very first entry on that list is a male police officer who strangled his wife and dumped her body in a lake!

This is the evidence you're giving to in your agenda to demonise and attack women who protested against male violence?

Zac Goldsmith has tweeted about it as well

twitter.com/ZacGoldsmith/status/1371436985731198976

Flax, do you have even the tiniest jot of empathy for women like Joy (suffocated to death by police by having duct tape wrapped around her mouth, when they came to investigate a visa snafu) or Sarah Reed (died in custody after punching her rapist)?

Of course I have empathy for those particular cases, the cases you called "gems" for some strange reason, I especially remember the Joy Gardener case.

Do you have any empathy the victims of others mentioned in list, some mentioned here in this mumsnet topic about sisters uncut

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4192410-Sisters-Uncut#prettyPhoto

...then there's the other organisation involved in organising the "protest", and their half a million bar shakedown

The police definitely weren’t covering themselves in glory on Saturday. This is an absolute disgrace.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/met-police-clapham-vigil-complaint-b1817544.html

Flax if you're saying the police were not out of order after seeing that picture of the red headed girl, then you are nothing more than an apologist for male violence against women.

Btw not sure why Zac goldsmith is being wheeled out. Maybe you think we need a man to explain the error of our ways to us. You've clearly got an agenda and are denying what is in plain sight. I've tried to engage with you and see your point of view but I'm not any more.

There are good reasons why people dont trust the police . Have recently heard an example of an officer boasting about assaulting a member of the public. Some things unfortunately havent changed

The alleged actions of one police officer doesn’t mean I don’t trust “the police”. That’s as ridiculous as saying I refuse to go to my GP because of Harold Shipman.

It’s the Met that needs to be focussed on. It’s not news that some of their officers are disrespectful or dismissive of women. We know that as a fact.

In some instances their conduct is criminal.

I would favour a lot more vetting of police applicants. Some of the problems with the Sarah Everard case are about that, and who makes decisions in cases concerning sexual violence.

It’s time to revisit PACE and look at where the police “take no further action”.

@Dorsetdays

The alleged actions of one police officer doesn’t mean I don’t trust “the police”. That’s as ridiculous as saying I refuse to go to my GP because of Harold Shipman.

Exactly