To be angry at the frenzy caused by others last night

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I think it was utterly disrespectful. We are in lockdown and it was not the right time for a protest. I agree with a quiet, respectful, socially distanced space to grieve - which is what appeared to happen during the day.

@LexMitior

I didn't say it gave the police the right to do or not do anything. I said the hostility was absolutely not just coming from officers as is being suggested. It's clear there were people there with a different "anti police" agenda. I've already said further up thread I sympathise with those who attended out of support and sympathy as opposed to an anti police agenda.

"That girl made a slightly mouthy comment to the police, so she deserved to be body slammed to the floor by four men" is not a sentiment I ever expected to hear on a forum for women

Not sure who's said this

Not sure who's said this
Plenty of posters have implied it. There was a whole thread attacking Patsy that was deleted.

I said the hostility was absolutely not just coming from officers as is being suggested.

Not sure who's said this

@FerrisWheelTrain

This stereotype of poor, innocent, weak women - or even ‘evil feminists’ at a vigil : and mean, scary, nasty, misogynistic police officers just inflames me - this is NOT positive change, OR working together OR recognising there might have been fault on both sides.

Agreed.

@rosetylersbiggun

Not sure who's said this Plenty of posters have implied it. There was a whole thread attacking Patsy that was deleted.

I said the hostility was absolutely not just coming from officers as is being suggested.

Not sure who's said this

I suppose my point is, hostility may have cut both ways. But

It was predictable

It meant greater care should have been taken by the police

And a few excitable officers need to be told to put their personal feelings aside. That is the job.

From last nights Newsnight.

twitter.com/BBCNewsnight/status/1371599291689492484?s=20

We are seeing a growing body of evidence that police are institutionally misogynistic.”

@DoughtyStreet
Chambers Barrister
@HarrietEJohnson
says she has seen rape victims “blamed, belittled, ridiculed and ignored by officers who are supposed to be supporting them”

#Newsnight

Last nights Newsnight is worth watching all the way through.

So you don't think the police were being deliberate at all when they refused to arrest violent men, and made a choice to only arrest physically slight or disabled women who were sitting on the floor?

I notice on the other thread, someone posted a video of a woman shouting at police (still not illegal! still doesn't justify violence!) claiming it is Patsy. It's very obviously not Patsy.

More proof that some people (not meaning on Mumsnet but in general) are deliberately creating lies and posting online with an agenda to attack and discredit women who speak up against male violence.

A lot of people get very very very angry when women speak up for themselves.

And as someone pointed out earlier - we need to work together with our police to avoid more women getting murdered on our streets. I do think the actions of some of the police officers was wrong, but we need to accept that some people went there to cause trouble.

we need to accept that some people went there to cause trouble.

And some of them were in uniform.

(No one has denied that some of the protestors were there to make trouble. Not one!)

Were there any strong, opinionated, passionate, loud women there? @rosetylersbiggun I hope there were! Or were they all slight, innocent, fading violets?

"A lot of people get very very very angry when women speak up for themselves."

They might do. That's weird and that's on them.

What I get very angry about is not anyone "speaking up" for themselves, but people condoning assaults on police officers as fine because "police are provocative", when my partner has to face this sort of shit every time he goes on shift. And the other lady further up thread (@ancientgran), who's husband was unable to work after being assaulted in his job and she became his career as a result.

People with a blanket "anti police" agenda make me angry for those reasons. Most officers are good people just doing their jobs.

*carer, not career

NAPOALT

www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/mum-son-threatened-social-services-20176981

A Liverpool mum was given a £200 fine and "threatened with social services" after she took her son to a Sarah Everard vigil.

Catherine Bolton said officers warned they would refer her family to social services after she took her eight-year-old son to the vigil in Liverpool city centre on Saturday.

The 43-year-old, told the Mirror, she was stopped by police after the event who then "tried to silence" her with "bullying’ behaviour".

Catherine claimed she went to the vigil with another single mum, who was in her bubble, and attempted to stay away from others.

However she says she was approached by an officer after the event was over.

She said: "We were purposely standing away from the crowd and were across the road when I noticed a restaurant where my mum had her 60th birthday party so was showing my friend when a police officer approached me and told me to go home.

Were there any strong, opinionated, passionate, loud women there?

Yeah... the ones who inspired 35 pages (and numerous threads) about how awful, hostile, aggressive, "agenda-driven", and disobedient we are and how the police were quite right to put us in our place.

people condoning assaults on police officers
Who here has condoned assaults on police officers?

I abhor violence of all kinds, that's why I was so shocked to witness police turning a blind eye to the violent and aggressive male protestors.

That doesn’t sound good; but I think we do have to limit our expectations of the police. Some are great. Some are terrible, some are just not clever enough to take account of context. Some really like power.

It can be a very hard life; and the risk of assault has never been greater. That said, in this particular instance, their actions seem to have been very foolish and tone deaf. Policing is done by consent. The Met will have alienated a fair few people by how this was handled.

www.disabilitynewsservice.com/police-force-admits-passing-footage-of-disabled-protesters-to-dwp/

Backchatting and making disrespectful comments during a vigil, and having to be shushed for chatting during a minute's silence, are not professional ways to behave and inflamed tensions

Exactly that. However there are posters on this thread who think that the police are never provocative. Sheltered lives.

Who here has condoned assaults on police officers?

Someone further up thread who said she once met an officer at a protest who was "inviting" her to assault her because she was being provocative (not verbally but with her actions and eye contact). She said she has to be "held back" by her friends. She seemed to think this was acceptable because of the perceived provocation. I pointed out that if a man assaulted a woman and said in his defence "she provoked me / she was inviting me to assault her", we'd never in a million years defend that. But we can accept that if it's a police officer carrying out their duty, apparently. If you feel provoked (which by the way is an entirely subjective experience) - then just assault them. That's fine.

@rosetylersbiggun - I think it’s been more about balance, how how there might have been fault on both sides. I don’t get the impression that there are many obedient, passive, quiet woman on this thread - and I’m sure it was the same on Sat night.

The force above will be policing the Covid laws to prevent deaths but obvs wernt too bothered about ppl starving to death if their disability benefits were cut.

That doesn’t sound good; but I think we do have to limit our expectations of the police. Some are great. Some are terrible, some are just not clever enough to take account of context. Some really like power.

My partner is one of the good ones. Yet he gets tarred with the same brush by those with an anti police agenda. All those people see is his uniform - they think that gives them the right to shout abuse or try to attack him. I worry every time he goes to work. That's not OK.

@LucieStar

Who here has condoned assaults on police officers?

Someone further up thread who said she once met an officer at a protest who was "inviting" her to assault her because she was being provocative (not verbally but with her actions and eye contact). She said she has to be "held back" by her friends. She seemed to think this was acceptable because of the perceived provocation. I pointed out that if a man assaulted a woman and said in his defence "she provoked me / she was inviting me to assault her", we'd never in a million years defend that. But we can accept that if it's a police officer carrying out their duty, apparently. If you feel provoked (which by the way is an entirely subjective experience) - then just assault them. That's fine.

That was me. If you believe that some police officers don’t try and goad people at protests and on marches you’re deluded. That occasion was at Greenham where the police were routinely provocative. It seems from @rosetylersbiggun’s account nothing much has changed in four decades.

DoughtyStreet
Chambers Barrister
@HarrietEJohnson
says she has seen rape victims “blamed, belittled, ridiculed and ignored by officers who are supposed to be supporting them”

This is really shocking. My DSis and I had a completely different experience when we reported our historical SA. There was no prosecution, but that was because the CPS decided that there wasn’t a ‘realistic prospect of conviction’. The police were thoroughly supportive right through. (That was the Sapphire unit of the Met Police, though, a dedicated sexual offences unit.)

Just remembered that 31 Met officers thought they were above Covid rules by getting a haircut. THIRTY ONE