To find snobbery around vocabulary very silly?

[crayolacom]

I too don't particularly like the idea of regional dialects and differences disappearing, but language does change and everyone should just deal with it!

I wonder if Shakespeare would be moaning about the modern lexicon if he was alive!

I am tolerant about regional accents but some things seriously wind me up, the worst one being the letter H. It is 'aitch' it is in the dictionary as 'aitch' so why tf do people say 'haitch'? No one says 'feff' for 'eff' or 'lel' for 'el'. So WHY haitch.

@imyournextdoorneighbour I also have this peeve! I’m from Surrey but live in the north so everyone here says haitch, drives me up the wall

Some things are just awful. "Of" instead of "have"

"Tryna" is a new one to have started to see.

I also hate fake words like "staycation"

I accept that language evolves of course, it always has. What gets me is the homogenization of culture globally. Also people using words like 'myself' and 'gifted' in an apparent attempt to feed their own ego. I also accept, however, that this is my stuff and not necessarily rational.

I live in the North and don’t hear many people saying haitch. I thought that was an Irish pronunciation.

What does tryna mean?

Aitch rather than haitch is a type of h dropping, such as erb rather than herb etc.

I think everyone agrees that languages evolve, but it is still a method of communication. If, because of changes, the communication aspect is lost it cannot be good.

There isn’t a h at the beginning of aitch to drop. There is at the beginning of herb.

I find snobbery of any kind very silly and I think those who're (knowingly) snobs (about anything) just show how narrow their world is.

Fwiw, I don't care what Shakespeare would have done though

I find it incredibly rude when people correct your phrasing for grammar reasons or to correct an accent.

My Father hated my change in accent when my mother moved us to the Midlands. He constantly interrupted me as a child to snap at me in a very irritated way to correct me. The result was a very shy and scared child who learned that what she had to say wasn't important to her Father. I started to refuse phone calls from him and developed a severe stutter. To this day I still struggle to have a casual conversation with him without feeling self conscious and nervous. I trip over my words, only with him, because of his obsessive nature.

So grammar nazis and accent snobs can fuck the hell off. Especially those who abuse children with it.

Off topic (and I might get roasted for this) but I struggle with the fact that there (apparently) hasnt been any writer to rival Shakespeare in the past 400-500 years ....

It depends, I hate it when people use brought and bought interchangeably. Haitch/aitch bothers me less. I don’t correct people (but want to).

Yep, language changes and regional accents are fabulous. But "hun", "hubby", "lippy", "reach out", "excellence", "enhancement" and other cutesy and management speak shite will always be vile. As they probably were in the time of Shakespeare.

Those of you upset about the letter h, it's an Irish sectarian shibboleth. Protestants say aitch and Catholics say haitch.

You can see why, historically, English people would have dismissed the Irish Catholic pronunciation as being somehow wrong or bad, but there's no excuse for it now.

@Firstbellini

There isn’t a h at the beginning of aitch to drop. There is at the beginning of herb.

The sound haitch was brought to the english language from the normans hache (chopped/minced), in some areas of england the h was removed to make ache (there should be a little expression over the e, but I don’t know how to do them on my phone keyboard). Aitch is essentially a bastardisation of hache.

Hache also gave the english language the word hatchet, not atchet.

‘Off of’ drives me mad. There’s no need for the ‘of’!! And it sounds so clumsy that I just can’t understand how people don’t know it’s wrong.

@imyournextdoorneighbour

I am tolerant about regional accents but some things seriously wind me up, the worst one being the letter H. It is 'aitch' it is in the dictionary as 'aitch' so why tf do people say 'haitch'? No one says 'feff' for 'eff' or 'lel' for 'el'. So WHY haitch.

You might want to read up on Northern Irish sectarianism.

Aitch rather than haitch is a type of h dropping, such as erb rather than herb etc

Of course it’s not!

@imyournextdoorneighbour

I am tolerant about regional accents but some things seriously wind me up, the worst one being the letter H. It is 'aitch' it is in the dictionary as 'aitch' so why tf do people say 'haitch'? No one says 'feff' for 'eff' or 'lel' for 'el'. So WHY haitch.

Second post on the thread, even earlier than normal.

Haitch is correct in Ireland.

In Northern Ireland, very generally, Catholics identify as Irish and say haitch, protestants identify as British and say aitch. Asking someone to spell a word with that letter is used to identify a person's cultural background, and so judging which one someone uses has some pretty nasty connotations here.

As ever, this thread will abound with posters not having a clue that the way they speak English isn't the only correct way.

Of course people on this thread immediately start demonstrating what OP is talking about.

@Howshouldibehave

Aitch rather than haitch is a type of h dropping, such as erb rather than herb etc

Of course it’s not!

It comes from the word hache, some areas of england removed the h to make ache. Hache is pronounced as haitch, ache is pronounced as aitch.

There was an interesting article linked just the other day, about how the people with the "absolute" prescriptivist tendencies "I don't like this neologism because it's new" (no shit Sherlock) "we shouldn't say X because I don't say it" etc, tend to actually have a poorer general grasp of English than people who don't feel offended by language change and quirks.

I am tolerant about regional accents but some things seriously wind me up, the worst one being the letter H. It is 'aitch' it is in the dictionary as 'aitch' so why tf do people say 'haitch'? No one says 'feff' for 'eff' or 'lel' for 'el'. So WHY haitch.

The irony is strong in your post