To find snobbery around vocabulary very silly?

[crayolacom]

I too don't particularly like the idea of regional dialects and differences disappearing, but language does change and everyone should just deal with it!

I wonder if Shakespeare would be moaning about the modern lexicon if he was alive!

@SimonJT

Aitch rather than haitch is a type of h dropping, such as erb rather than herb etc.

No it isn’t.

Where is the evidence that regional dialects are disappearing?

Broadcasters like the BBC which used to require "RP" are now much more diverse in embracing regional accents.

And accents are a different issue from bad grammar, which is usually a sign of a bad education.

I loathe 'didn't used to'.

You wouldn't say didn't baked a cake, didn't wanted a drink, didn't walked. Why do you say didn't used to do something?

@oneglassandpuzzled

I loathe 'didn't used to'.

You wouldn't say didn't baked a cake, didn't wanted a drink, didn't walked. Why do you say didn't used to do something?

That's different. That's incorrect.

@StepOutOfLine

There was an interesting article linked just the other day, about how the people with the "absolute" prescriptivist tendencies "I don't like this neologism because it's new" (no shit Sherlock) "we shouldn't say X because I don't say it" etc, tend to actually have a poorer general grasp of English than people who don't feel offended by language change and quirks.

English isn’t my first language.

I have noticed that most people who are rude to me about my spoken and written english are monoglots. If your language skills are so superior why can you only speak one language?

I didn't used to like watching Netflix, but I find it's become a lifeline during the pandemic.

Is that grammatically incorrect? What should it be instead?

I'm confused now!

Eh?
I wasn't talking to you.
But I'm bilingual in English and Italian and have a degree in French and Spanish if we're pissing against a wall

I had to google it, but oneglass is right. It's one of those incorrect constructions that has become so commonplace we accept it now. Thank you for enlightening me!

It should be "Didn't use to".

@UntamedWisteria

I didn't used to like watching Netflix, but I find it's become a lifeline during the pandemic.

Is that grammatically incorrect? What should it be instead?

I'm confused now!

"used to" is already past tense of "use to" but people (even in publications) often get it wrong because we only see it, by definition, when talking about the past. So it's just an over-application of the past tense formation rules. It should be "didn't use to"

X post with you, Wisteria.

I never comment on the way people write things. But the biggest thing I get annoyed with is.. "I done the shopping" "I done the washing" "I went and done it"
More and more people seem to speak this way

I’m from a yorkshire very working class town and the second I leave I might aswell be fucking foreign no one understands me and I really couldn’t give a shite! I know that I’m no less than anyone else because I don’t speak posh!

It is 'aitch' it is in the dictionary as 'aitch' so why tf do people say 'haitch'? No one says 'feff' for 'eff' or 'lel' for 'el'. So WHY haitch

In some parts of the country it identifies you as RC or at least of attending RC schools, in an Irish accent it is 'haitch' and if your teachers were Irish nuns you pick it up.

I have a very thick Cornish accent which I refuse to change, why on earth would I as it's part of me, I'm not going to change it simply because someone doesn't like it as that's their problem not mine.

I have a regional accent but that does not mean I mispronounce words (any further than an elongation of vowels) or use incorrect grammar tenses. I don't really have a regional dialect - not really one for local slang since school. If nothing else, I think it's really aging!

@imyournextdoorneighbour

I am tolerant about regional accents but some things seriously wind me up, the worst one being the letter H. It is 'aitch' it is in the dictionary as 'aitch' so why tf do people say 'haitch'? No one says 'feff' for 'eff' or 'lel' for 'el'. So WHY haitch.

You are TOLERANT of regional accents? How very superior of you.

I live in the north and say aitchas do the majority of people.
When rewatching line of duty recently, I noticed that many characters referred the the codename H as haitch.

The history of H is interesting. Thanks you, that poster!

As far as Haitch/ aitch in Ireland is concerned, I believe "Haitch" is very similar to the Irish Gaelic alphabet equivalent of aitch, hence the cultural differentiation between Catholics and Protestants.

*English isn’t my first language.

I have noticed that most people who are rude to me about my spoken and written english are monoglots. If your language skills are so superior why can you only speak one language?*

So well said!

[quote TheRaccoon]@imyournextdoorneighbour I also have this peeve! I’m from Surrey but live in the north so everyone here says haitch, drives me up the wall [/quote]
I don’t want to derail into a topic that’s been done to death but seriously .... “I’m from (specific southern county) but I live in (the massive area of many counties but I’ll just generalise that they are all the same because you know, it’s just THE NORTH)”

Oh and I’m from ‘the north’ and I say ‘aitch’ as do all my northern family and friends, because we’re not one big homogeneous group.

See 'didn't use to' just sounds ridiculous to me. Doesn't feel right in my head.

I'm bewildered. Why would anyone care about this stuff??

Also, piss off being 'tolerant' of regional accents. We don't need nor want your thinly veiled, irritated acceptance of our 'wrong' voices.

You'll pry my flat vowels from my cold, dead hands.

Like it or not, people's accent and language use tell you things about them. That has always been the case and it will always be the case. The important thing is our attitude to the things their language tells us about them.

It's foolish and pointless to think that the evolution of language can be halted, diverted or even slowed down much, and that evolution involves neologisms, accent shifts, shifts in the mreaning of certain words and changes in grammar usage. It's normal to find some of them grating, but I can't believe how pointlessly superior, enraged and self-righteous some people are about it!

myournextdoorneighbour
I am tolerant about regional accents but some things seriously wind me up, the worst one being the letter H. It is 'aitch' it is in the dictionary as 'aitch' so why tf do people say 'haitch'? No one says 'feff' for 'eff' or 'lel' for 'el'. So WHY haitch. angry

Thank you for being so tolerant considering you more than likely carry a regional accent yourself.