Team Meghan or Team Windsor?

[QueenofTheCandles]

Yes - Team Meghan

No - Team Windsor

Nothing - Don’t really care!

@VanillaIce

I couldn’t stop laughing at those cutaways in the chicken coop. As Celia Walden puts in her Telegraph piece “and Oprah Winfrey sitting inexplicably with a box of six eggs on her lap”.

And the story about The Little Mermaid. The very laboured speaking-to-toddlers explanation of how she, Meghan, also married a prince and...wait for it...lost her voice. But...pause, smile... she found it again.

End scene. Lights up, applause!

Meanwhile Harry is chasing a chicken round and Oprah is studying the eggs.

So random.

Haha she is such an actress so much for authentic self! Not a big royalist buti did like Harry, sadly went right off Megan right after the African tour, when Tom Bradbury asked her if she was ok and she said no one has asked me that? Really?? You’ve just visited orphanages in a continent with so much human suffering and we have to feel sorry for you? .. I think they both feel so hard done by and over play the victim, such a shame when we all rejoiced when they married even unmonarchy loving me !

@Jansgirl

I believe she has demonstrated that herself on numerous occasions

[quote fabulousspider]@VicarofDibley

Just because someone is an actress does not mean they are in actress mode all the time FGS.

With her dad, he sold private letters to the national (gutter) press, and set up photo shoots for cash. I think that tells you enough about why she didn't want anything to do with him.

It's honestly been like a witch hunt for the poor woman.[/quote]
Witch hunt seriously you have to be joking .She knows how to play the press.She is no poor victim .They wanted out fair enough but this woe is us from a indulged wealthy beyond belief pair.They need to get a grip and realise they are in a better place than a heck of a lot of people during this pandemic.

once that happens I would say Harry will be replaced by some mogul - dim isn't the word for him

So they are getting divorced, she'll hook up with some mogul or other and Harry is dim.

Thomas Markle... so he lies to his own daughter about not being in touch with the press continually, when he was. He leaked a private letter MM had sent to him.. to the Mail.
And he'll do stories in the press every 30 days if she doesn't talk to him.

Yet over the years, on these threads, people have talked about how sad it is that MM is being so awful for cutting him off etc.
Wise woman cutting him off and Piers Morgan.

My opinion is that Harry has low self worth and a fear of loss, after losing his mum and lots of pent up anger/sadness. I also think his mental health was on the floor when he met Meghan. I think they've fuelled eachother, and the royal family arw all they say they are but I suspect Meghan has a Personality disorder and feels compelled to be in the limelight and to charm her public. Moving Harry away from family and threats of suicide could be perceived as narcissistic behaviour. Harry feels here if that his family have done that to her and will do anything to make her happy. Toxic. in my opinion...Based on no facts and an unprofessional opinion.

*feels that his family have done that to her

I believe some of the things she said are true but the way inwhich they've gone about it. Might aswell have gone on Jeremy Kyle if it was still going. Unfortunately she's put her entire family at risk including her child because the royals don't take things lightly. She's made a monumental mistake, if she didn't want this life why did she join it. It isn't no secret theres racism in the royal family, for one there is no interracial children born from it. And who moves back to the most racist place in the world (America where they kill black people for just crossing the street) and complain about the Uk. Come of it's insane.
This has to be a smokescreen for the nonce Andrew. No news about him since she's been flouncing about with her stories of woe.

It isn't no secret theres racism in the royal family, for one there is no interracial children born from it.

Lady Davina Windsor has two children with her Maori ex- husband, born in 2010 and 2012 well before Archie.

Some of what they've said seems demonstrably untrue which makes everything else at least questionable and certainly not to be taken as gospel. I think they probably had a shit time and the press certainly behaved poorly. But at the same time it feels like there was always going to be a big clash of personalities and cultures to an extent and that getting past that and working together properly was going to require patience and goodwill that I'm not sure either side demonstrated sufficiently.

Harry doesn't seem to have been upfront with her about their future roles and place within the hierarchy, she seems to have been very "my way " and the royals seem to have been an old fashioned family and organisation who didn't handle it well.

How often on here do you read of family problems where two cultures coming together causes issues - not even necessarily maliciously but just due to different history, traditions, communication styles. This kind of looks like that but on a very public scale. With a massive side order of jealousy and a vicious press.

I do hope W&C have or are giving serious thought to how to raise their 3 so that Charlotte and Louis are able to confidently forge their own paths rather than being a support act for George. Being the "spare" doesn't seem an easy role.

Why didn't Doria come over and help her daughter?

What I can't believe is that she never had any conversations with anyone about what life as a royal might entail?
In the early days they were seen with William and Kate a lot, so surely Kate would have primed her on what to expect to some extent?
I can only think she assumed she was going to go into the RF and blaze some great trail then found it wasn't going to be quite like that?

A lot of Americans really don't understand the nuances around the history and traditions of the RF - they think they're some kind of glorified theme park attraction - evidenced by MM's lack of understanding about curtsying to the Queen.

I suppose Doria has her own life - although I'd like to think that I'd drop everything to help my DD if she was so low.

Why didn't Doria come over and help her daughter?

Lol. Do you have proof that Doria wasn’t supporting her?

@Jangirl2018

Why didn't Doria come over and help her daughter?

Lol. Do you have proof that Doria wasn’t supporting her?

No - but if she asked Harry not to leave her alone to go to the Royal Albert Hall, it sort of implies that Doria wasn't there at that point.

StatisticallyChallenged I like your post.

I agree... I think expectations were wrong on both sides. The RF just absorb a newcomer into 'the firm' and expect that person just to do it. To understand the protocols, the stuffy and archaic way of doing things. How could any modern woman who'd had a career just get it? Harry could've explained until he was blue in the face but until you live something, you really really don't know what it's like.

All this 'never complain never explain' tosh is pathetic. It's an excuse for not being accountable. Maybe if they 'explained' a bit more, these sort of crises would not keep happening. Sarah Ferguson, Diana, Meghan.
They must be stupid and blinkered if they don't realise they are not doing it right. Yes Kate and William are working... but are they happy? I'm not so sure personally. I hope so.
I dread to think what life is going to be like for George's wife... or what life will be like for the two spares Charlotte and Louis

@ajandjjmum

No - but if she asked Harry not to leave her alone to go to the Royal Albert Hall, it sort of implies that Doria wasn't there at that point

Yes, because Doria lives in a different country.

Haven't rtft so I'm assuming many others have posted the same: Both! I like Harry and Meghan and I also like William and Kate, Queen and few of the other Royals.

@ajandjjmum

I suppose Doria has her own life - although I'd like to think that I'd drop everything to help my DD if she was so low.

My own mother did this very thing. I became very low before the birth of one of my children and my mother came to stay with us.

[quote Jangirl2018]@ajandjjmum

No - but if she asked Harry not to leave her alone to go to the Royal Albert Hall, it sort of implies that Doria wasn't there at that point

Yes, because Doria lives in a different country.[/quote]
Oh dear. Meghan could have paid for her flight. It was a health emergency.

I would actually like to know a bit more about MM's mum and what she is all about in this.

Why is she always with M&H in LA. Her mum was a social worker specialising in MH work. Why didn't she come to help Meghan out when she had MH issues? Why did Meghan live with her dad between age 11 and college. Where was Doria?

I actually think that you need to look behind Meghan to the only person she listens to.

[quote Jangirl2018]@ajandjjmum

No - but if she asked Harry not to leave her alone to go to the Royal Albert Hall, it sort of implies that Doria wasn't there at that point

Yes, because Doria lives in a different country.[/quote]
You asked if there was proof that Doria was not supporting her. From what I said, she clearly wasn't there, physically.

Bless your Mum @derxa.

@ajandjjmum

You asked if there was proof that Doria was not supporting her. From what I said, she clearly wasn't there, physically

So you can state that with absolute certainty can you? And there could be many reasons for this, or things going on that were not visible to the general public. The truth is no one knows the reasons, so seems a bit disingenuous to now start dragging Doria into this. No doubt, if Doria had been visibly on the scene she would’ve been labeled the meddling mother living on taxpayers money. Doria has kept a low profile and shut her mouth the entire time and you are questioning the level of support she gave her daughter. Why I wonder? Seems futile. Attack Meghan to the death as you all are, by all means, but Doria didn’t ask for this did she??

I would actually like to know a bit more about MM's mum and what she is all about in this.
Clearly her mother values her privacy.
I'm sure someone can work out dates and work out if her DM was there.
It doesn't sound like she lived there before the baby was born afaik.

Doria has been a social worker and a yoga instructor and has taken some sort of psychology degree I think. No doubt she was a huge support to her daughter whilst all this was going on. You don't have to be in the same room to do that.
I know that with my DCs. You can't always be physically together but the support never stops.

My feeling on all of this is that even if every single thing they said is true - and objectively true, not just their truth - I still think they are exceptionally priveleged people who are aelf absorbed and clueless to have done this interview at this time. Some of the revelations weren't great, but hardly earth shattering either.