Team Meghan or Team Windsor?

[QueenofTheCandles]

Yes - Team Meghan

No - Team Windsor

Nothing - Don’t really care!

Team Windsor. She knew what she was getting into, but instead of leaving gracefully for a new life with Harry to persue acting she's looking for the cash train to continue.
I would actually respect her if she had have left before the big wedding and came out with this but now it seems money talks and of course she would have become accustomed to a certain way of living a very rich life but she wants the cash without the effort. Harry will be tossed into the bin in a year i reckon 100% left with nothing. She's gaining fame from all of this, never heard of her before she married Harry.

Bullshit. Ghislaine was hiding, it didn't stop the press writing about her. The RF and the press have a symbiotic relationship.

I agree to an extent in that I think that the press and the RF have a long standing, mutually understood relationship, Im not sure I'd go as far as symbiotic though. Which is why Andrew has effectively been sidelined, in all but name, by the RF. This is (in part) a signal from the RF to the press that they aren't going to get a reaction if they write about Andrew. So the press focus on M&H as they know they will get a reaction.

By the way, do you think everyone that says something you disagree with is speaking bullshit?

Neither.
Meghan has some legitimate reasons to complain (she is used as a scapegoat for more serious stories like Andrew) but some of her complaints are not so reasonable (where is Harry's obligation to warn her what Royal life would be like? Why didn't she do research on the Internet? Gobsmacking that she thought that she could "have a voice" when The Firm is "never complain, never explain" and a strict hierarchy of people not being equal. ) I think that a major problem with this interview is that they know the Royals can't really retaliate point by point.

The Windsors can't be grouped as one team. I think some of them have tried harder than others (I was under the impression that Eugenie and Meghan were very close) I think that their protection of Andrew is heinous but also that they should have given Meghan training in being a Royal and living in the UK assuming that her allegations are true. If they denied mental health support then that is despicable. I also think that the torrent of bullying stories in the past week are a form of bullying too. Not because she's pregnant, but deflecting blame on the other to look good is immature.

There seems to be tacit acceptance for PA in your posts, in the way you describe Harry and Meghan as 'baiting' the media versus Andrew keeping a low profile.

🤣🤣🤣

You really are scraping the barrel.

Won't stop me talking about PA though.

There is a difference between an anonymous poster on mumsnet and a columnist in a tabloid, in terms of reach though.

@onlychildandhamster - That article is horrendous

Meghan is a spoiled brat and has turned Harry into one too.

@Roussette

For the third time, I will repeat... seems to me you're the one not getting it..... I. Get. It. Hope that's simple enough for you too

Won't stop me talking about PA though.

Ok you get it but are wilfully twisting my words to suit your own narrative then?

@OliviaBensonsEyebrow

Bullshit. Ghislaine was hiding, it didn't stop the press writing about her. The RF and the press have a symbiotic relationship.

I agree to an extent in that I think that the press and the RF have a long standing, mutually understood relationship, Im not sure I'd go as far as symbiotic though. Which is why Andrew has effectively been sidelined, in all but name, by the RF. This is (in part) a signal from the RF to the press that they aren't going to get a reaction if they write about Andrew. So the press focus on M&H as they know they will get a reaction.

By the way, do you think everyone that says something you disagree with is speaking bullshit?

More likely that the press / royal correspondents know that if they focus on PA they'll lose any goodwill, meaning the press leave PA alone for the most part.

When I think it's wrong, yes.

@rousette have you actually read that whole article you are quoting from because he is actually defending women’s rights ? I am not defending the wording but it should not be taken out of context .

Andrew is hiding away therefore the press don't feel the need to write about him, possibly because they know they won't get a reaction

Even if this is the case, is it deemed a reasonable explanation for whats going on here? The reaction on this thread is so disproportionately hateful towards Meghan I’m struggling. So Andy has chosen to lie low, therefore we should forget all about it? Is that the implication? What Harry and Meghan have done ‘wrong’ in comparison warrants all the outrage and hateful speculation about her and her character?

They ‘court the media’ (not sure how giving one interview equals that, but ok) and have a deal with Netflix! Oh how reprehensible!! I’m still yet to see an explanation of what she has actually done that makes sense.

@Roussette

Even those who aren’t fans of Johnson, his opportunistic politics and self-serving style, would probably agree it’s unfair to castigate him for something he hasn’t said. In the column mentioned by Dhesi, Johnson condemned use of the burqa, but purely in an aesthetic sense:

If you tell me that the burka is oppressive, then I am with you. If you say that it is weird and bullying to expect women to cover their faces, then I totally agree—and I would add that I can find no scriptural authority for the practice in the Koran. I would go further and say that it is absolutely ridiculous that people should choose to go around looking like letter boxes; and I thoroughly dislike any attempt by any—invariably male—government to encourage such demonstrations of “modesty”

He defended women’s right to wear it, even as he wondered why anyone would want to, as it may not be a great fashion choice. (That does leave Johnson—who has said he is not a “serious, practicing Christian” and whose lineage includes Muslim, Jewish and Christian ancestors—exposed to the argument that the tenets of someone else’s religion generally are not open to outsiders’ criticism.)

The article that got everyone riled up is headlined as follows: “Denmark has got it wrong. Yes, the burka is oppressive and ridiculous but that’s still no reason to ban it.”

The research suggests most people may not have gotten past the title

@Bunnyfuller

The press not worshipping M does not make them racist. M is not disliked for her ethnicity. She’s disliked because of how she constantly behaves.

Racist memes are horrific, as are any memes attacking someone or something on prejudiced and vile grounds. Memes unfortunately for us all exist everywhere. I’m not sure even where they started, I’m too old really. But the memes don’t speak for the whole populace. You are allowed to disagree with someone or how they behave, regardless of any characteristics, or you always were. And having a characteristic (I’m fat and ginger and disabled so fit several boxes) doesn’t mean no one can be horrible to me. Maybe owning her behaviour would be a better step than saying ‘it’s because I’m ....’

I would still like to see one link to something in the press that is racist about her, I don’t read newspapers but get all my news online.

Oh, and we’re an ethnic minority too. So I know what racist sounds like.

This. ^ I am not going to labour the point, but it boils my piss when people call the UK a racist country. It's not, and it fucks me right off when certain people (usually white liberals,) say it is.

Also, I agree that people who dislike Meghan, dislike her because of (as you say,) the way she has behaved. NOT because she is mixed race.

Labelling the UK a 'racist' country, purely because of the behaviour of a small minority of people, just makes a person look a bit dim, and small-minded really, and I instantly think 'you're a bit thick really aren't ya?'

I know a few Meghan obsessives in real life, and if someone says the SLIGHTEST thing negative about her, (even that they dislike her hat,) the Meghan obsessive cries RACIST!

It pisses me off, and is a massive insult to people who genuinely suffer racism, as well as a massive insult to the person being accused of racism. It's a nasty, lazy insult calling someone 'racist,' and I have no time for people who do it. I will literally turn my back and walk away. I won't engage with them.

I won't engage with them on message forums or twitter either.

If we all just say we hate Prince Andrew and think he’s vile and to take that as read ahead of any further comments, are we then allowed to have an opinion on Harry and Meghan? I’ve seen so many arguments today that are basically just ‘But Andrew is much worse!’, I feel like acknowledging it should be part of the terms and conditions. Can we have a little box you have to tick stating ‘By commenting on the behaviour of these two people, I accept and acknowledge that their uncle's behaviour is much worse, and that any attempts to express an opinion without referencing this will immediately be shot down’?

Olivia Ihave NO idea what you are on about You push and push wanting me to say something about how your posts are so correct and right and I say three times
I get it
And then get accused of twisting your words.
Let's just leave it shall we?

unsure33 which article?

If Andrew lost his title and financial support, he'd be on Oprah like Harry and Fergie looking for a paycheck.

Oprah is very welcome to my story.

I could do with a few bob.

1. This is going to be a win for the concept of the British Monachy

^ Note what I did there.

1. See 1 above.

@Jangirl2018

Andrew is hiding away therefore the press don't feel the need to write about him, possibly because they know they won't get a reaction

Even if this is the case, is it deemed a reasonable explanation for whats going on here? The reaction on this thread is so disproportionately hateful towards Meghan I’m struggling. So Andy has chosen to lie low, therefore we should forget all about it? Is that the implication? What Harry and Meghan have done ‘wrong’ in comparison warrants all the outrage and hateful speculation about her and her character?

They ‘court the media’ (not sure how giving one interview equals that, but ok) and have a deal with Netflix! Oh how reprehensible!! I’m still yet to see an explanation of what she has actually done that makes sense.

I don't think anyone said it is a reasonable explanation for the press to let Prince Andrew lie low but to go after Megan and Harry.

The palace have a sophisticated PR machine that is well experienced in dealing with the British press. The marginalisation of Prince Andrew is a calculated tactic to deflect attention from what he has been accused of doing. It seems to be working.

@StillCoughingandLaughing

If we all just say we hate Prince Andrew and think he’s vile and to take that as read ahead of any further comments, are we then allowed to have an opinion on Harry and Meghan? I’ve seen so many arguments today that are basically just ‘But Andrew is much worse!’, I feel like acknowledging it should be part of the terms and conditions. Can we have a little box you have to tick stating ‘By commenting on the behaviour of these two people, I accept and acknowledge that their uncle's behaviour is much worse, and that any attempts to express an opinion without referencing this will immediately be shot down’?

@StillCoughingandLaughing of course everyone is allowed an opinion. It's hilarious though that people are posting 'I hate Meghan because of the way she constantly behaves' or 'she's a nasty piece of work' and then when questioned how she behaves or why she is nasty, those people disappear. I do question their motives.

@StillCoughingandLaughing

If we all just say we hate Prince Andrew and think he’s vile and to take that as read ahead of any further comments, are we then allowed to have an opinion on Harry and Meghan? I’ve seen so many arguments today that are basically just ‘But Andrew is much worse!’, I feel like acknowledging it should be part of the terms and conditions. Can we have a little box you have to tick stating ‘By commenting on the behaviour of these two people, I accept and acknowledge that their uncle's behaviour is much worse, and that any attempts to express an opinion without referencing this will immediately be shot down’?

I agree with this.

Can we have a tick box for Princess Michael of Kent too?

@Dugee

I agree

[quote Jangirl2018]@Dugee

I agree[/quote]
Right, so you agree when Dugee says it but disagree when I say it?

The palace have a sophisticated PR machine that is well experienced in dealing with the British press. The marginalisation of Prince Andrew is a calculated tactic to deflect attention from what he has been accused of doing. It seems to be working

^^ This
It is very convenient that MM came along really

@OliviaBensonsEyebrow

I’m sorry, I was agreeing with the part about it working in terms of the focus being on H&M. Don’t get jealous